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P.S. 41 Greenwich Village

Public | K-5 & ungraded | 782 students

 
 

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4 stars

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2014:
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2013:
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2012:
Based on 6 ratings
2011:
Based on 4 ratings

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Posted Wednesday, October 22, 2014

This is our third year at PS41 and for the life of me, I am still trying to figure out why it has such a wonderful reputation. It's just an ordinary school. Some teachers are nice; some are complete witches. The classes are huge (27-29 kids). The receptionist is widely avoided. The student/parent body is hugely lacking in ANY kind of ethnic, cultural or even economic diversity. The PTA throws a lot of parties and fundraisers so I guess there's that. But is it the high test scores that make this school so highly lauded? Because it's widely known that the scores are high because the kids all have tutors. Any kid anywhere can have that. I feel my kids' reading levels have actually been (purposely or negligently) held back, which doesn't seem to be a particularly valuable educational move to me. Families come to this school in droves and I just don't get it. But the longer we stay, the more I think the emperor has no clothes. We are all just too afraid to be the first ones to admit it.
—Submitted by a parent


Posted August 31, 2014

We chose P.S. 3 instead of P.S.41 for several reasons. First, P.S.41is almost completely white (as are we) and that is a big turn-off. I want my child to experience different cultures and races, and P.S. 41 is less diverse than some private schools. Also, the parents-teachers have a false sense of superiority about their school, whereas P.S.3 is more welcoming and not part of the corporate mentality. Also, P.S.41 is deficient in teaching English and Math( the two most important subjects) and parents have to hire tutors to get their kid's grades up to grade level!! Now how is this a superior school? Oh. And the receptionist is very rude.
—Submitted by a parent


Posted August 17, 2014

We have a 1st grader and 4th grader at PS 41 and couldn't be more impressed with the teachers and administrators. They are very focused on specific needs of the child and there is always additional help when needed. Kelly Shannon is the most amazing principal and runs this place better than many private schools, she understands how to work thru the bureaucracy that NYC's DOE creates for their "one size fits all" mentality to education. Kelly thinks outside of the box and allows whats best for individual students by working closely with parents, teachers and other aid offered in the school to make it an optimal learning experience. The PTA's massive fundraising ensures the school can offer the latest technology, additional classes in the arts, and overall quality education. It is very much a community school with amazing students and parents from the West Village area. We LOVE PS 41!!!!!!!
—Submitted by a parent


Posted August 14, 2014

What a fantastic community school!!! Our daughter graduated from PS41 and we really feel that anyone who is able to send their child their is incredibly lucky. Wonderful teachers and great community feeling. Lots of school spirit and great extras like drama, music and holiday events. Wonderful OT and speech department for kids that need some extra help. They keep the communication open. Love 41!!!!!!!
—Submitted by a parent


Posted November 13, 2013

I have two children at PS41- in first and prek . The school has amazing resources, extraordinary teachers and faculty- and state of the art teaching techniques and facilities. The teachers keep all parents very informed- and stay on top of the child's progress. At first I was hesitant to send my children to a public school. Both my wife and I went to a private school- and have professional degrees, respectively. After the first year at kindergarten, I saw my child's growth- and was rest assured with sending a second child. The PTA is a hidden gem at the school- sponsoring free chess classes, among other integrated programs. Most importantly, most of the parent-body and student-body are fine, caring, intelligent and nurturing, thereby inspiring ambitious ubiquity.
—Submitted by a parent


Posted October 20, 2013

P.S. 41 is a great school with fantastic teachers & administrators, and it's ideal for kids who are self-starters, highly motivated and bright. The more you get involved as parents, the more you get out of it. My wish: that all teachers were reachable by email, and used the eChalk website for posting homework and communicating. Communications home are scattered: pieces of paper in backpacks, eChalk, emails from PTA, class parents & the parent coordinator. This should all be synchronized through eChalk so nobody misses anything!
—Submitted by a parent


Posted September 17, 2013

Very well managed school. Not for the parent who needs helicopter or hand holding. They know what they are doing and do it professionally. Lots of support (counseling/reading/etc). The PTA is very strong and active and inclusive.
—Submitted by a parent


Posted June 23, 2013

My daughter came into PS 41 as a 3rd grader from a nearby catholic school and we are beyond thrilled. It's like a private school except that people are friendly and grateful to have a friendly, involved, creative, challenging and stimulating environment with a real warm neighborhood feel. My daughter's other new 3rd grade friend to the school is Puerto Rican and this girl and her brother love the school so I don't know what the post below is about. The school is like the United Nations with all the kids getting along wonderfully as opposed to our old catholic school, where there was bullying everywhere. Here, no bullying that I have heard of! There is order, structure and discipline yet freedom and encouragement. Kids are actually happy to go to school!
—Submitted by a parent


Posted March 22, 2013

HORRIBLE my daughter attends ps 41 and they have been rude and disgusting from day one. We are hispanic and we do not feel welcomed at all. i believe there RACIST. ALL who work in the office are DISGUSTING. I also believe that if you contribute loads of money to the school then you will be VIP IN there eyes. THIS SCHOOL IS A DISGRACE IF YOUR HISPANIC OR AFRICAN AMERICAN THEY TREAT YOU AS IF YOU DONT BELONG DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
—Submitted by a parent


Posted September 24, 2012

Terrific school, strong academics, nice teachers, best facility i've seen with large playground, auditorium, cafeteria, smart boards, computers, afterschool, arts, drama, chess, dance, etc. Nicer than the private schools that surround it! Very happy to have chosen it. The zone also allows the option of ps3 which is similar and strong in all areas but doesn't have as nice a facility. and ps 11 nearby is a great school.
—Submitted by a parent


Posted July 26, 2012

Overrated school. I would not recommend this school if you are not rich and your child is not perfect. They like children with no problem, very talented and they MUST be from wealthy families. They are simply rude to the other children. Also you need a tutor,almost every child in this school has one. PS3 is much nicer.
—Submitted by a parent


Posted July 25, 2012

My kids love the school, and I the principal and the teachers. I prefer a traditional curriculum, it worked for me.
—Submitted by a parent


Posted June 6, 2012

Very rigorous, but also very warm. Parents very involved, teachers very passionate. Definitely would recommend. Safe neighborhood


Posted April 5, 2012

We compared PS 3, PS 41, and a few other schools like PS 87 on the UWS prior to choosing an apartment in a zone. We reviewed Wiki, GreatSchool.com reviews, tours and spoke to parents. PS 41 & PS 3 are for different types of children. PS 41 is more for a child that thrives in formal education, PS 3 for progressive education. PS 41 is for parents who prefer traditional academics WITH arts integration, PS 3 is for those that prefer arts integrated education on a higher order for instance music includes lessons on fractions. Both schools have Dance & Drama. Quote from PS 41 website "PS41 is dedicated to teaching a standards-based curriculum in a supportive environment" Quote from PS 3 website "classes set up more like working laboratories, with research materials and tables for group work". So, both are good schools. The question is how does your child learn best? In a "standard-based curriculum" or "laboratory and research materials" science based curriculum? My child is strong in math (can do fractions at 4 years old), science (can draw the major organs& bones in the body), art & group learning. PS 3 also will let her take math class with the older kids, which we preferred over G&T.
—Submitted by a parent


Posted February 25, 2012

school is not set up to help children with even the slightest of learning challenges.
—Submitted by a parent


Posted December 16, 2011

Amazing academics, great principle, and awesome teachers. I went there, my two best friends I ever met went there, and my best friend's Father went there over 40 years ago. It hasn't changed since. Way better than P.S. 3 and an amazing group of kids.
—Submitted by a parent


Posted July 13, 2011

They really need to fire the person who answers the phone. The first impression people get of ANY school is the receptionist/office staff. There are plenty of lovely, nice people out there who would love to have this job and to have such an incredibly rude person working in the office reflects very bad judgment on the part of this school. My child will go elsewhere. Just awful.
—Submitted by a parent


Posted June 27, 2011

Excellent school with a warm staff and community. Our children have loved attending this school.
—Submitted by a parent


Posted January 25, 2011

I live in the area and wanted to compare PS41 and PS3. PS3 had info. about school tour on the website and when I called the school to confirm, he was very helpful and pleasant. On the other hand, PS 41 had no info. about the school tour, and I happened to call on the day of the school tour. The person who answered my call was very rude. She said if I didn't register in advance, too late to join tonight, OK, miss and hang up on me. I already like PS3 better although my kids are only 3 years old.
—Submitted by a parent


Posted December 5, 2010

The person below who wrote a review on April 12th has to be talking about a different school. He/She cannot be speaking about PS 41. The school does not feel overcrowded, there is nothing Lord of the Flyish about it, and the principal creates an amazing school. I haven't spoken personally with her, but I haven't needed to. I have the teachers and parent coordinator to speak with. We have had zero problems. This school is a gift from Heaven. Everyone should be so lucky to have a school like this for their children. Finally, I have spoken with so many parents and we all love it. I have not heard a single complaint.
—Submitted by a parent


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The test results by subgroup show how the designated group of students is performing in comparison to the general population.
English Language Arts

The state average for English Language Arts was 32% in 2014.

120 students were tested at this school in 2014.

2014

 
 
68%

2013

 
 
64%

2012

 
 
89%
Math

The state average for Math was 42% in 2014.

122 students were tested at this school in 2014.

2014

 
 
77%

2013

 
 
72%

2012

 
 
83%
Scale: % proficient or advanced

About the tests


Beginning in the 2012-2013 school year, the New York State Department of Instruction implemented new assessments designed to be aligned with the Common Core State Standards. The new standards for proficiency in these subjects are higher than in previous years and the percent of students earning a proficient score is expected to be lower as a result of this change. See this letter from New York's Commissioner of Education for more information on these changes.

In 2013-2014 New York used the New York State Assessments to test students in grades 3 through 8 in English language arts and math, and in grades 4 and 8 in Science. At present 2013-14 results are available only for English language arts and math. The tests are standards-based, which means they measure how well students are mastering specific skills defined for each grade by the state of New York. The goal is for 90% of students to meet or exceed grade-level standards on the tests.

Source: New York State Education Department

English Language Arts

The state average for English Language Arts was 33% in 2014.

142 students were tested at this school in 2014.

2014

 
 
79%

2013

 
 
69%

2012

 
 
89%
Math

The state average for Math was 43% in 2014.

143 students were tested at this school in 2014.

2014

 
 
88%

2013

 
 
82%

2012

 
 
99%
Science

The state average for Science was 90% in 2013.

121 students were tested at this school in 2013.

2013

 
 
100%
Scale: % proficient or advanced

About the tests


Beginning in the 2012-2013 school year, the New York State Department of Instruction implemented new assessments designed to be aligned with the Common Core State Standards. The new standards for proficiency in these subjects are higher than in previous years and the percent of students earning a proficient score is expected to be lower as a result of this change. See this letter from New York's Commissioner of Education for more information on these changes.

In 2013-2014 New York used the New York State Assessments to test students in grades 3 through 8 in English language arts and math, and in grades 4 and 8 in Science. At present 2013-14 results are available only for English language arts and math. The tests are standards-based, which means they measure how well students are mastering specific skills defined for each grade by the state of New York. The goal is for 90% of students to meet or exceed grade-level standards on the tests.

Source: New York State Education Department

English Language Arts

The state average for English Language Arts was 30% in 2014.

115 students were tested at this school in 2014.

2014

 
 
70%

2013

 
 
72%

2012

 
 
86%
Math

The state average for Math was 40% in 2014.

114 students were tested at this school in 2014.

2014

 
 
78%

2013

 
 
71%

2012

 
 
88%
Scale: % proficient or advanced

About the tests


Beginning in the 2012-2013 school year, the New York State Department of Instruction implemented new assessments designed to be aligned with the Common Core State Standards. The new standards for proficiency in these subjects are higher than in previous years and the percent of students earning a proficient score is expected to be lower as a result of this change. See this letter from New York's Commissioner of Education for more information on these changes.

In 2013-2014 New York used the New York State Assessments to test students in grades 3 through 8 in English language arts and math, and in grades 4 and 8 in Science. At present 2013-14 results are available only for English language arts and math. The tests are standards-based, which means they measure how well students are mastering specific skills defined for each grade by the state of New York. The goal is for 90% of students to meet or exceed grade-level standards on the tests.

Source: New York State Education Department

In 2009-2010, this school was given a grade of "B" for the elementary school level.

About the tests


Progress Report Grades measure the school's contribution to student learning in three areas: School Environment, Student Performance and Student Progress. Schools can receive additional credit for achieving exemplary performance progress among high-needs students. Progress Report Grades range from A to F.

Source: New York City Department of Education

Breaking down the GreatSchools Rating

GreatSchools Ratings for this school are based on 2012-2013 test results. Use the breakdown ratings below to compare types of students at this school. Learn more »


Student ethnicity

Ethnicity This school State average
White 2 75% 48%
Asian or Asian/Pacific Islander 1 13% 9%
Hispanic 2 8% 23%
Black 1 3% 19%
American Indian/Alaska Native 1 1% 1%
Two or more races 1 0% 1%
Source: NCES, 2011-2012
Source: 2 NYSED, 2011-2012

Student subgroups

  This school District averageState average
Limited English proficient 22%N/A8%
Students eligible for free or reduced-price lunch program 18%N/A43%
Source: 1 NYSED, 2011-2012
Source: 2 NCES, 2011-2012

Teacher experience

  This school District averageState average
Fewer than 3 years experience 8%N/A5%
Source: NYSED, 2011-2012

Teacher education levels

  This school District averageState average
Master's degree and above 31%N/A39%
Source: NYSED, 2011-2012

Teacher credentials

  This school District averageState average
Teachers with no valid teaching certificate 0%N/A0%
Source: NYSED, 2011-2012
The NYC Department of Education asked parents, teachers and students about their school's learning environment. Results provide insight into school climate, such as whether the school is academically rigorous, safe, communicative and collaborative. Learn more

The information captured by the survey is designed to support a dialogue among all members of the school community about how to make the school a better place to learn. An overall category score is calculated for each respondent group (parents, teachers, or students) by averaging the scores of the questions within that survey category.

Category scores for each of the respondent groups are then combined to form overall category scores. Alongside the results for each school are the aggregated results across all NYC public schools, which are provided as a basis for comparisons.

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Based on 533 responses

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This school
9.2
out of 10
 
City average
8.0
out of 10
 

Parents

This school

 
9.2
 

City average

 
8.4
 

Teachers

This school

 
9.3
 

City average

 
8.0
 
Clear, useful communication about educational goalsWhat's this?

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This school
9.1
out of 10
 
City average
8.1
out of 10
 

Parents

This school

 
9.1
 

City average

 
8.5
 

Teachers

This school

 
9.1
 

City average

 
7.8
 
Strong parent, teacher and student engagementWhat's this?

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This school
9.0
out of 10
 
City average
7.8
out of 10
 

Parents

This school

 
8.8
 

City average

 
8.1
 

Teachers

This school

 
9.2
 

City average

 
7.8
 
High academic expectations for all studentsWhat's this?

This score measures how well parents, students and teachers feel that the school develops rigorous and meaningful academic goals that encourage students to do their best.

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This school
9.0
out of 10
 
City average
8.2
out of 10
 

Parents

This school

 
8.9
 

City average

 
8.3
 

Teachers

This school

 
9.1
 

City average

 
8.1
 

Based on surveys from:

 RespondentsResponse rate
Parents48573%
Teachers4896%

12012-2013 New York City Department of Education School Survey

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116 W 11th St
New York, NY 10011
Phone: (212) 675-2756

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