I recently posted a review about P.S. 184 Shuang Wen and it was removed. I find this disturbing as I neither named anyone nor attacked anyone by name. My information was accurate and if it can be proven wrong please let the complainant supply the evidence. As to my comments The Blue Ribbon Application was riddled with inaccuracies, the former administrator used her position to single out and attack students; and students were removed for entering the school out of district. As far as my comments about the D.O.E. I maintain that any success achieved by students is due to outstanding parents, outstanding teachers outstanding students and some outstanding principals; and not due in the majority of cases to the D.O.E. We have a problem with truth in this country as up until recently we had more myth than history taught in the schools. I would hope that if this blog is seeking honesty then it would check the veracity of my statements rather than remove them because of a small groups hysterical responses.
Since former principal and founder has been removed 3 years ago the school suffered a sudden change. One beautiful thing left is the after school SWAN, an outstanding Mandarin Chinese 501-C3 nonprofit organization that operated in conjunction with PS 184 since 1996, and with PS 184 earned a Federal Blue Ribbon Award, for program excellence. It should be common sense to envision this system as a model. In 2011 the system switched from full time English daytime program with Chinese SWAN afterschool, to a 50/50 English/Chinese daytime and SWAN afterschool, cutting 50% of the English taught during regular school hours, with a drop in ELA tests performance. PS 184 used to be among the first 10 performing schools in NY State ranking for combined 3rd and 4th grade Math and English, In 2010-2011 it was on 23rd place, 2011-2012 fell to 80th, in 2012-2013 to 83rd place, 2013-2014 53rd. Some people may love the new system and new principal, some may like a 50/50 dual language at daytime with new afterschool with alternative activities. Many teachers left and parents pulled their kids. It's just sad to see that the priority of the school is not our kids education.
The school is facing a revolution in schedule, approach and teaching system that not necessarily is worse than before, certainly still needs to prove the academic level reached in the past. Below comments show a real fight between supporter of the 2 systems and leadership, the nostalgic miss the structure, strictness and discipline of a selective high performing environment, as in most G&Ts, the others welcome a more encouraging, fun environment. Let's move on, enhancing and improving without destroying a great heritage, i.e. keep and sponsor the awarded after school SWAN, introduce more physical activities, art, theatre but please something more challenging and professional than shadow box!
since the new principal came in half of theaters left, not only parents pulled their kids from the school. It was better before.
P.S. 184 is a school in transition. Although there are a few parents left from the old administration the school is moving into new areas of growth. It is using the Shadow Box Theatre and other unique programs that bring children into a learning fun environment. The D.O.E. needs to reach out to this Principal and give her the support she deserves and needs. There will be some leaving but those who truly want a Dual language education will help to make it grow and be strong. The parents who don't want a Dual Language school should leave instead of trying to sabotage the school and it's program. I for one have suggested certain programs like the Jump Program and The Algebra Project to help children learn mathematics from early fractions to Algebra and beyond. I hope that the school grows but this can only happen when those who seek to sabotage and destroy are removed.
the school has stabilized. teachers are great. my kids are fluent bilingual chinese speakers. love it!
Finally a permanent principal has been appointed to this school--that is helping to stabilize things after a hard couple of years. I appreciate Iris Chiu and all she has done to follow DOE's orders to transform this school into a bilingual program within the DOE hours. It's been a tough ride, but we're there now!
Excellent teachers and principle who set high academic expectations for the students, but who are warm and supportive along the way.
Shuang Wen under the current leadership is A BREATHE of FRESH INNOVATIVE AIR. I appreciate Prinicpal Iris Chiu and I empathize with her due to the constant harrassment and ill treatment from previous parents who were unhappy with change. She is doing a wondeful time with our children, it is a shame that some parents need more work than the children in the realm of self restraint and intellectual discourse. Principal Chiu during this uncomfortable transition has maintain her professionlism and our children were able to achieve the same rating on Standardized Testing which kept Shuang Wen under good standing. Every School community there is room for improvement.
Still a great school despite sub par leadership - As much as I miss last administration I think this is still a very good school. My opinion is that the old system with SWAN after school is better than this 50/50 bilingual system. I respect parents' decision in taking their kids out of the school because they have no faith in the current prinicipal. However I want to ask these parents to stop saying the school is "not good anymore" and that all the "good" teachers left the school. Show some respect for the people that are still in the school and the many teachers that are still trying to help our kids. From what I see, the teachers at this school are all working hard and they don't deserve that. As for Ms. Iris Chiu, you cannot gain our respect by trying to stay out of trouble by putting up a wall. You need to be more involved, know your students, know your teachers and motivate everyone. This is your chance to prove all those parents who left the school wrong!
It's sad to say, but previous comments are true. This school needs better leadership. Issues need to be addressed in real time. Every parent should feel that their voice counts and that their child is safe. Children should be pushed but not to the extreme.
There is no Principal leadership in this school. She hides behind closed doors. Both the parents and the children do not know who the principal is. It's a shame. This is the first school I have been to where the Principal doesn't even partake in school activities or events. She only shows face when its to her benefit. She wont allow Parent participation because she is afraid the parents will find something. If the Principal allowed the parents to be more involved things would be a lot different. Grades have dropped drastically, incidents go unreported. Bullying is not addressed. This was a great school and is failing more and more each year. We need a new principal. Iris Chiu is not it. Our children need someone who knows them and cares for them. NOt one who pushes issues under the rug. Give our kids what they deserve. A fair chance at a GREAT education.
from the number of students and teaching staffs leaving the school, i am sure that the current principal is not doing a good job. She only helps those that stands on her side and not doing ANYTHING for the school. When Ms. Ling Ling was there, she interacts with EACH student and she can call out EVERYONE of their names so easily. We really miss our previous principal and we are happy that she won the case finally!
SWAN students with a score of 600 or above for 6th, 7th, and 8th grade on Chinese SAT II prep test are 38%, 63%, and 68% respectively. Grades 1-5 took the Test of Chinese as a Foreign Language (TOCFL) for grades 6-8. Approximately 98% of 1st & 2nd grade students passed the CCCC Sprouting Level, which included 400 Chinese phrases. For grades 3-5, students took different levels based on their Chinese levels; 40% of student population passed the CCCC Seedling Level, which included 700 Chinese phrases, and another 41% of them passed the CCCC Blossoming Level, which included 1100 Chinese phrases. All of the 6th 8th grade students were assigned to take different test levels of TOCFL based on their Chinese levels. The TOCFL includes five levels: Level 1 to Level 5, which are equivalent to Novice Level, Intermediate-Low & Intermediate- Mid Level, Intermediate-High Level, Advanced-Mid Level, and Superior Level, respectively, based on the American Council on the Teaching of Foreign Languages (ACTFL) Proficiency Guidelines. The percentages of 6th-8th grade students passing Level 1 to Level 4 of TOCFL are 7%, 19%, 26%, and 6%, respectively, and two 8th grade students passed TOCFL Level 5!
Need some opinion!! My child is going to Kindergarten this fall. She accepted by ps 184 and private school Transfiguration school NYC. I know both are good schools. I have a hard time making decision of which school for my child.Is there anybody give me some advise? Many Thanks
Under our principal Ms.LingLing, Shuang Wen WAS a great school! no pain no gain. students must study very hard here. Since Ms.LingLing is not here,(2011 Sept) it is a big mess here. I rate this school 5 starts-- is for Ms.LingLing! Ms. LingLing we miss you much!
Shuang Wen is a great school, but not for my child.The 2009-10 school year was her last. Although the teaching staff was great, there really is no plan for children struggling in Chinese.The already long day of 8:30 - 5:30 was extended to 8- 5:30 for extra Chinese tutoring.My daughter's hours in school exceeded my own work day! As she moved up in grades, her frustration only grew and as much as the idea of my child being fluent in Mandarin appealed to me, a burned out 8 year old did not.It was not an easy decision to move her, but I know it was the right one.Again, Shuang Wen is a great school for the right child. I don't feel like I didn't work hard enough as a parent, or my daughter did not do her part as a student, it just didn't work for her. Good luck!
First off, this is a great school. The after school chinese program is very good and forces the kids to learn. Parents who tend not to want to make an effort (because it is such a demanding school) don't send their kids here. As a result, most of the kids are well behaved and smart. Most parents are involved which helps the school be even better. The class work is very demanding, so the kids learn a lot. If you send your kids here, they will graduate very smart. My daughter is 6 years old can hold a conversation in mandarin. The graduating class trip was to China and The Chinese New Year show this past year was amazing!! The show was like a off-broadway production. Now, with the goods there are always bads. The school work is very demanding not to mention the day starts about 8:30 and ends about
This program is really too rigorous and inflexible for 3-to-6 year olds. But my 6-year old is completely fluent in Mandarin, a language I do not speak. It is amazing to watch him understand and respond when spoken to in Chinese. Families have to be completely committed to this program as a lifestyle. If they are willing to accept the many drawbacks and if they prioritize bilingual education they will be happy with the school.
Parent that admits their children into this school knows the long hours, academic challenge, high expectations from students, teachers and parents. We work together as a team. Graduates return to school to thank teachers and Ms Lingling, principal, for their hard work.
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