"My son has an IEP in and is doing exceptionally well in all 5 of his general
ed classes, except for one class English which is integrated with 10 general
education students and 18 IEP participants (64.2% IEP's). There is a special
education teacher and the general Ed who is training to be an administrator.
He is gone approx 2 times a week so the kids have a substitute. I want to
know how they can call this a general education class with this ratio. We
live in Washington State...any thoughts on how to address this would be
appreciated. The special education teacher has tried to advocate for more
help, but is shut down by administration and told to deal with it! The
special education teacher said that the pacing of the class is considerably
slower and is unable to meet these childrenÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s needs!"
"I am a special education assistant in the same elementary school that my
children attend. I have seen the pros and cons of the inclusion of
special needs students. Currently I am dealing with a situation that is a
little bit more personal. My son has always been a straight A student.
He has always loved school. That is until this year. This year a student
that is a high functioning autistic sits across from my son. He basically
has no social skills. The other students are unaware of this child's
disability. They think that this boy is rude and mean. This child is
making my son miserable(often to the point of tears). They have even put
him in counseling because he made the comment that he hated school this
year. Due to confidentiality I can't explain to my son that when this
student says inappropriate and even hurtful comments it is due to a
disability. I know that if my son and the other students(my son's not the
only student having problems with this student) k!
new about the disability they might not take the comments so seriously.
They are having a hard time understanding why it's ok for this student to
'bully' them with his words and there are basically no consequences. "
"I believe that INCLUSION is the best door for my daugther future,since she
was born and the doctor told me that she had Dawn Syndrome my concern was
the society life. She has been in Inclusion all her life,but unfortune
some of the big problems are when the teachers dosen't want to get the
opportunity of learn from this great kids,and this persons closed the
doors for them.
It is so important for me and my husbund still learning about the laws and
rights for our dauther her future is in our hands.
'I love you my daughter' "
"EXCUSE ME! You say you have a daughter with a learning disability and you
believe this somehow gives you the right to judge other loving parents
decisions and put shame on them for want what they feel and know is best
for their children - resouce room learning. These are loving parents just
like me. No parent wants their child excluded or labeled but it is what it
is. We have to put our pride aside and step up to do what our children
need. All I can say is SHAME on YOU for judging me and other parents like
me. What you determine best for your daughter is you business but you and
Washington politicians like you should have no business invading my son's
life, making educational decsions for him when you no NOTHING about him or
his LD. You weren't there in Pre-K or the 2 years of Kindergarten when he
couldn't learn his alphabet. You didn't do 4-6 hours of studying/homework
each night in Kindergarten with him just trying to get a C or D on a
spelling test. You know nothing! Thei!
r are many different learning disabilities and you must have been
fortunate enough that your daughter's is mild. I know this because you
obviously no very little about the frustration children with moderate to
severe LD suffer. They are unique, lovable and wonderful but they do have
needs you can't understand. My son has an IQ of 70+ or -3 which means he
is borderline mentally handicapped, he is severely auditory processing
delayed which means he doesn't understand verbal language well and he is
dyslexic. He is almost 10 years old and in 3rd grade with a beginning 1st
grade reading level. Do you have any idea how frustrating it is for him to
not be able to read his text book because the Government says even with
his IEP he must do 3rd grade level work. Even worse being in inclusion he
has to stand out in front of other 'mainstreamers' as the kid who can't
read or write. He has been laughed at and teased. Yeah, that's good for
his self esteem. It has taken 2 years of thera!
py to build his self esteem and convince him that he is just a!
s good as everyone else and that he has his own gifts and talents. Not to
mention his 7 year old brother is gifted and reading at a 4th grade level
so he is very aware that he is different. He has been in an intensive
reading program for 2 years and has learned his alphabet and to read. If
you really think he would have ever learned that in a classroom with the
kids so far advanced from him you are seriously mistaken. In the future
learn the facts before judging the parenting decsions of children you no
nothing about' Better yet stop passing judgement all together and show a
little compasion for other parents struggling to make the right decisions
for their children. "
"I have a daughter with a learning disability. I think having these
children included in the inclusion classroom is most beneficial to them.
It exposes them to the reality of other children, it makes them feel like
they are 'Included' instead of 'Excluded' from the other kids in school.
What I want to say to parents who are in disagreement with this inclusion
of kids with learning disabilities, shame on you - all kids are unique and
we all learn in unique ways to better ourselves. Each child is a gift and
we should treasure that gift as long as we can and allow it to 'Spread its
Mother of student with a Learning Disability!!!"
"I really enjoy reading positive stories on inclusion where children and
parents having compassion for children with behavior and attention
problems. In my case the teacher and children treat my son and myself
really bad. My son is six and he really is a nice boy. He moves a lot in
class and talks and ask for extra help on things he has not learned
before. Academically he is above or on track on most subjects. I don't
know how to help the teacher understand how he learns best. She only want
to teach one way and he only wants to process information one way. It's a
battle between the two. I tried to come into the class to help my son
learn the teachers way of training and every thing was going fine. He had
stopped a lot of the behavior problems felt listened to and the
frustration went away because I was assisting him or redirecting his
behavior. My son in four days stopped all behavior problems stopped
asking for extra help to the teacher, she was happy with his impr!
ovement but I got band from the class because now other kids were getting
distracted by me interacting with my son. It seems like the school
doesn't want any advice from me about how my child learns best. They want
to figure it out on their own. In the mean time they warn parents and my
sons classmates that my son is a distraction in class and can the children
a long with the teach help discipline my son to follow the class rules.
These kids are six years old and can't help but over do it some times. My
worry is my son not feeling equal to his peers and he always thinks he's a
bad boy just because he has the wiggles in line or circle time. I don't
know how long I can keep him in this environment or how to help others
include my son's differences. If anyone has advice on how to know if a
teacher has training in multiple intelligences and different learnig
styles, please contact me or send me an email. I am working on changing
the rules regarding knowing or interviewi!
ng the teacher before children go the their classes. "
"I likes the article ,whice is true. thanks"
"The article fails to give information on the learning of the material for
the nondisabled kids. The classrooms where my daughter had
learning-disabled kids with her had no additional teaching staff. But I
worry about how much teaching goes on in the classroom--with or without
learning impaired kids--because all levels of students are lumped
together. It is a positive environment for those who may be slower, but
is it really fair to the kids who get the material and can move on?"
"IDEA is a bad idea. My daughter is a high school math teacher. I'm
sorry,but not all people are born equal. Pushing children into algebra
class when they can't do basic math is not a good idea. Capable students
are frustrated and want the class to speed up. Ld students are frustrated
because they can't understand the material. Teachers are frustrated
because they are pressured to have all make passing grades. Inclusion does
not make all equal. Maybe, just maybe that's part of why the US ranks
28th. in education among industrialized nations. We can't all be
doctors,lawyers and engineers. IDEA = BAD idea"
"Society tends to label children and people with any types of disabilities.
A child is a child regardless of his/her disabilities. We need to keep an
open mind and learn to appreciate and like children and others for who and
what they are. More often than not, we as parents are the ones who infest
the segregation mentality to our children; like this father in the
article. I believe the inclusion format in schools nationwide is the best
model for all. Children, parents and educators are now experiencing a new
phase in the education system. Children are now becoming more tolerant and
accepting other students with disabilities. We often think that students
with LD and other disabilities are more disruptive than other students. I
am not sure that is the case. I run an after school program for all
students. We have students with LD, ADHD, MR and other students. Believe
me, the other students caused more problems than the ones with
"One child with LD probably no effect in classroom but classrooms with 5 or
6 disabled students negatively affect students as teacher must make
accommodations and modifications to his/her teaching to include LD
students. If you take a bucket of clean water and add a cup of dirty
water, the bucket becomes all dirty water."
"What a nice out come for this situation! Unfortunately not all children
with disabilities are like this child and not all teachers and aids are
like the ones in this situation. My daughter was in a classroom last year
with a child with extreme disabilities and let me just say 'What a
disaster'. My daughter did not want to sit next to this child or have her
near her and I did not blame her for her thoughts. This child had bitten
3 children (mine was one of them) in one day and drew blood one of the
times. She also hit another child so hard that she left a mark on her
face. The teacher and aid spent a great deal of time with this child. I
heard a number of times during the year that school was boring because the
teacher had to spend more time with so and so. This year is completely
different, no disable child in her classroom. I have yet to hear that the
day was boring or that the teacher had to spend extra time with anyone.
What a difference! I believe that every c!
hild is entitled to a far and equal education. I also believe that their
are some children whose disabilities are so strong that they should be
placed in special classrooms that can accommodate their needs better. Just
like there are some children that are so far ahead that they end up
skipping a grade. "
"While I believe in the 'inclusive' classroon is a postive experience in
most cases, your reasoning is simplistic and skewed to promote your point.
To say that the teacher to child ratio is lower may be true statistically,
it does not work out that way in reality. The extra help in the classroom
is directed at the student with disabilities and does truly reduce the
teacher to pupil ratio. Nor does it help the teacher reach every child on
their own level. "
"my son has ld , and he is is a class with 10 children , he goes out for
specials ,library , gym, recess with the other age appropriate students &
there is no problems , and he is getting a good education , he is a
balanced child , and very well behaved , and smart !
thanks greenwood lake schools!"
"The additional help in the classroom does make all the difference. One of
my daughters was in a preschool class with an aide for an autistic child
and it was great. He didn't need constant help so she helped other
children too and got to know them. However, my other daughter is in a
kindergarten classroom this year with two children, one ADHD and one has
some sort of LD, but there is no aide. The whole classroom suffers. "
"Before our state decided to implement inclusion to all but the profoundly
disabled, my students with learning disabilities thought they were in
special education because they were stupid. They felt stupid because
other students would say, 'Oh, you're in 'those' classrooms, with the
unspoken words: where dummies go. To see the change in my students'
self-esteem truly made my heart sing. And to say they have learned more
in the general ed classroom is an understatement, not to mention what we
spec ed teachers learn from being in the classroom, too. I would often
review the previous days lesson with the class, using strategies that
helped all the students. Believe me, inclusion is a win win all around."
"What about the children with disabilities? My son has disabilities and
many times he is ashamed and embarrassed. "
"I believe that the LD, in some cases, will create disruptions. SED
students often speak and behave inappropriately and ADDH and/or OCD-H
students can't control their behaviors effectively.
An LD that does not affect behavior negatively can lead to even better
teaching practices for all of us. However, please be careful not to paint
all LDs with such a broad brush of positivity. There are some students
that do not benefit from the traditional classroom experience when it
includes students with LDs that disrupt thier learning.
"My daughter was in a similiar situation last year. Unfortunately,
additional staff (as mentioned in the article) is not always the standard
when a learning disabled child is in the classroom. Also, the articles
indicates that children with average abilities do not seem to suffer
thanks to the additional staff & learning tools provided when children
with learning abilities are included in the classroom. How about children
would are academically ahead of the curve and need more challenge? Can we
realistically expect teachers to be able to accomodate all levels of
learning in 1 classroom?"
"My daughter has LD and I found the teachers spend more time with the smart
kids and call on them all the time to answer,and my daughter is still 2yrs
behind the other kids and she is in 6th grade now.My daughter came home
the other day and said this boy ask her why she was so dumb?I feel the
teachers dont spend enough time with LD kids,and its not the teachers
fault because they have so much to teacher in that year."
"Thanks for the enlightening and thoughtful information."
"This is great!"