"The schools protect themselves and not
the child with or without a disability. It is their job to save the school
money so they can get merit pay. Don't feel sorry for teachers; they and
the principals get paid very well.
"As an education advocate I feel obligated to clear up a few things posted
regarding 504 plans. First and foremost, qualification for a 504 plan has
absolutely nothing to do with how a student is currently
performing.Section 504 and the ADA define disability as a physical or
mental impairment that substantially limits one or more major life
activities, a record of such an impairment, or being regarded as having
such an impairment. This list of activities includes eating, sleeping,
reading, concentrating, walking, learning, and more. Major bodily
functions have been added to include functions of the immune system,
normal cell growth, digestive, bowel, bladder, neurological, brain,
respiratory, circulatory, endocrine, and reproductive functions.
Provisions for attendance CAN be written into 504 plans and frequently
are. Schools that are frequently denying children with diagnosed
disabilities for 504 plans, especially based on academic data, are not
only breaking Federal Laws bu!
t they are setting themselves up for some serious lawsuits. As far as the
comment goes about children and parents abusing the system, to some I'm
sure it appears that way and just know that a lot of the disabilities we
deal with are known as "invisible disabilities". Until you have been in
these children's shoes, please reserve judgment, for many of them it is a
"From what I witnessesd at a Alternative School. Alot of parents and
children are abusing the system! Many children with a 504 just want
attention, rather it be negative or postive. Too many people are getting
away with murder, because their a 504!!!
"After reading many of these post, it appears that a 504 plan can help than
hurt. On this Thursday I will be having my meeting with the school
diststrict to figure out if my son is going to be classified or not. My
Son is only 5 years old and has recently been diagnosed with ADHD. He has
an IEP and will be entering the public school system. He has been with
several other physicians that gave him an diagnosis of Autism but this
year it was most apparent it is ADHD. I spoke to the physician and he
recommended getting a 504 plan for my son. I do feel that my son will need
every bit of help he can get. The schools are getting tougher for all ages
in many ways including the safety our children. I know my son can learn
with much assistance. He needs a smaller settings, and more assistance
than can be provided in our public schools today in a regular classroom. I
can only pray that the school administators, federal government, and the
president could see how important our children !
education is. They say our children are failing. I feel the system has
failed our kids. So for anyone that is thinking about a 504 plan. You are
you childs voice. When your child is in there school, they have a right to
"I have a question, my 6 year old has NF1 ( neurofibromatosis, and also has
ADHD, he is in a wheel chair from all the surgeries he has had, which is
8 in 9 months. they want him on the 504 plan, BUT THE BAD he is going to
FAIL kindergarten and they DONT offer summer school for him cause he is a
regular ed classes.. what can I do "
"i live in oregon is a parent obligate to put her child in special ed by
the school and the state?
"Extremely well written and informative.
"My daughter has a 504 plan for Irlen Syndrome but was just diagnosed with
several autonomic nervous system disorders including POTS, Chronic
Fatigue, Vasovagal syncope, also migraine syndrome, dizziness, vertigo,
etc. I need to get her 504 amended but am having difficulty. How do I
amend her plan. She attends a private school that accepts Title 1 money so
they have to make accommodations for her but her guidance counselor
controls this and she does not believe a smart child can be sick?
"I am recently discovering much too late in the game that my child may have
qualified for a 504 based on some testing recomendations made years ago.
Currently my child is in high school and I am concerned for her in college
(with the hope she graduates high school. I am baffled at why the school
admin are skirting the 504 issue. When brought up recently I was told "we
do that anyway". I ended up looking on line to even see what 504 is. Why
would the public school system refrain from putting a child on 504 all of
these years when my child has clearly struggled for so long. The test
results years ago indicated dyslexia and anxiety disorder.
"My child was beaten at school resulting in TBI. Though websites like this
one we are slowly finding out what rights our child is granted by law. The
school recently told use they are Not required to inform anyone about what
rights the child is entitled to or the steps to obtain the help the
student needs. 5 months after the injury and being qualified for 504
serves. The school is finally starting IEP evaluation process (With less
than 6 weeks of school year left). My question is (is there any laws that
state a school should advise parents of the Childs rights?)
"This is a great article but it was frustrating for me to read all of the
comments. I work in a school and shudder to think that all of these
children seem to be denied their basic rights. I feel in my school we
take the time to consider very carefully all of the information that
parents or outside evaluators share.
"Excellent resource, thanks you!
"My 10 year old niece - whom i now have custody of, has been diagnosed with
RADS and the therapist says probably PTSD but did not put that diagnois
down on paper. The way she reacts to certain situations seems to get her
suspended or threatened to be suspended alot. Does anyone else have a
child with RADS that has had a 504 plan? Will the school do one for a
child with RADS?
"My son was diagnosed with Nephrotic Syndrome at age 5. He now is 13. I
have been dealing with behavioral problems at school all these years.
When I brought up his disease and the side effects of prednisone they
believe I use that as an excuse for his behavior. My whole family is
effected by this disease. They assumed he had ODD, ADD or ADHD. Took him
to a specialist and she disagreed with all. The schools do not care or
want to care. Finally at the age of 12 504 was mentioned because
sometimes my son was in the hospital for as long as a month. I emailed
the school and said the 504 was not working and now they are going to have
my son tested. I really believe I should retain an attorney because I
don't understand everything and believe they just hate my son and want him
out of their hair. I actually believe I could have the school
investigated for just things my sick son and his twin tell me every
regarding their treatment because of the sick son. We are so depres!
sed and do lots of crying around our house.
"Once a school signs the 504 plan, are they legally obligated to follow it?
There are several accommodations in my daughters 504 plan that were
agreed upon but violated every day of school so far. I was told they have
no legal obligation to help her academically, is this correct?
"I am a 504 campus coordinator, and can answer many of your questions.
Many have asked about attendance and tardies due to certain disabilities.
Attendance laws and 504 are 2 separate entities. A 504 committee can't
change the 90% attendance policy (in Texas) and has no control over
whether a 504 student is taken to truancy court nor make accomodations
about coming to school late, partial days, etc. Having doctor
documentation and working with the person in charge of Attendance is the
way to handle this.
For a student to qualify as Section 504, the student must have a
SUBSTANTIAL limitation which effects a major life activity (learning,
hearing, etc.) Being diagnosed or perceived as having a disability in
itself does not constitute a placement. So, if your student is being
successful (most districts perceive this as passing) then there is no
504 does not state that a parent must or even be asked to participate in a
504 meeting. BUT, a parent must sign for an initial evaluation to occur.
It's best practice to invite and encourage parents to attend and be a part
of the committee. 504 is clear about what contitutes a 504 committe which
is a person with knowledge of: the child, the placement options, and the
evaluation data. That does not mean ALL teacher have to be there, the
parent be there, a counselor be there. As long as the 3 criteria are met,
the school in in compliance.
A doctor's note does not constitute a placement into 504. A number of
evaluation data must be used such as grade reports, RTI reports,
behavioral reports, teacher/admin input, early intervention data, etc.
A parent ALWAYS has the right to due process. So, if you don't agree,
file a due process hearing....this is part of your child's procedural
safeguards. If you are refused due process, then the district is not in
compliance. At that point, contact OCR.
As far a SAT/PSAT/ACT accommodations, that's a whole new ballgame. It's
perceived that a student who has a disability has a right to
accommodations on these tests. The college board does not see it that
way. In fact, if your student has not had certain types of testing (which
is basically used in SPED testing not in 504) your student will not
qualify for things like extra time period!! When reqesting extra time,
the college board REQUIRES test results (which must be done within so many
years. Without that, the student will be denied. Basically, it stops
there. So, unless you child was initially tested for Special Eduacation
(within their time frame to be considered current) and received these
tests, then again, no accommodations. I have yet to request extra time
for a 504 student and it be approved. If your child has had these tests,
then there's more criteria that must be met. Logon to college board and
click on student's with disabilites. It's explains in detail !
what is required to consider the extra time.
"My child is about to be placed on the 504 committee. He has been part of
the special ed since Pre-K and now is in second grade. I have few
questions about the committee. Primarily, what would my child be loosing
by being de-classified as special-ed kid? Additionally, he has been
diagnosed with possible ADHD. Considering it is the school that has put
this label, should they not recognize the need and give him more
assistance? If this is wrong, what can I do to stop this
"My daughter is a 504 student. Yesterday morning she was told by a teacher
to sit in a seat before school. She did so. Another girl came up to her
and start mouthing to her. The teacher then told my daughter to move to
another seat. As she got up the girl started walking very close behind my
daughter still mouthing. When my daughter turned around to tell her to
leave her a lone the girl ran up on her. Which the school says she push
the other girl. The other girl took a swing at my daughter hitting her in
the head. Because of this they suspend my daughter for a day and is
sending her off to off school campus.
I went to the school board for answer to when she got in trouble when all
she did was turn around but I could not even get into see the superint.
for the school. They told me I had to talk it up with the school. I went
back to the school to basically get no where. This is not the first time
this has happen she had a deal where a boy came up to her and slapped her
and she hit him back.Same thing..suspenion. I have asked for there help to
come up with a plan for my daughter. I just want her to finish school.
I have started to feel like the school districts do not care for kinds
with 504. That its just a way for they to get alittle more money from the
"Our teen has a 504 for Bipolar, ADHD, Chronic Migraines. Onset of brain
disorders 1 year ago. Since that time, school administration has been
assigning detention for medically documented attendance includ tardies for
migraines, med changes, symptoms. He has completed Spring and now Fall
Semesters, not given any credit. With these increased detentions, he has
reacted negatively and begun blowing them off = even more detentions. Now,
he has begun acting out, not angrily, not in class, goofing off with
friends. Now, for the first time ever, he has shown up + for 2 urine
screens (cannibus). We have met with school admin, 504, child study. Our
teen just wants to drop out, no longer wants to be there. This VS prior to
onset, he was researching music schools including Julliard and was a star
at school - music/sports competition. This has been a nightmare. Can
school do this to our teen? Thank you for your experiences...
"Can a school stop a 504 without a parent's signed consent? Is there an
expiration time for a 504?
"My son is in high school and is suffering from depression and anxiety.
The school wants him to attend for only three hours instead of the seven
hours he is currently enrolled for. Do they have the right to do this? He
just had his 504 plan updated to accommodate his current situation,but it
is a constant battle to have the teacher's follow the accommodations.
"Will the 504 show on my child's transcripts for college's and how will it
affect any decisions from those colleges?
"My daughter who has a diagnosis of Autism, and now been re-evaluated for
missing so much school that now is being re-assigned back to our home
school zone because of attendance. She has gone to this school since she
was about 4 years old in the Special Education Class, but is now in a
regular classroom setting in the 4th grade. They have already re-assigned
back to our home zone school and I am fighting this School, because I feel
like we were pushed away because they did not want to have to deal with
her. I am going to try and get a discrimination Advocate for her so that
they can represent her case to the School Board with me. Any suggestions
anyone has where I can start to find free Advocation or legal services
please respond back to my situation. Thank You "
"I would suggest getting a strong advocate to help you navigate these
issues. Ours helped us to push back on the school and get our son the
rights they were saying he was not entitled to. Here's her site:
"My son is in 2nd grade in the state of Florida. He is on a 504 plan for
ADHD. He also has proven food allergies including, but not limited to,
sugar, chocolate, dyes and artificial (and some natural) flavorings. This
is well documented by his doctor and his psychologist as when he has these
foods, the chemicals in his brain react and he has a really hard time
controlling himself and has even gotten dangerously out of control around
his 2 yr. old brother. Then, he cries, after it wears off, and says he
hates when he acts like that and it really upsets him.
His teachers give CANDY to their students as rewards for answering
questions correctly as well as other reasons. After many times of them
"forgetting" and giving it to him, they give him stickers now instead. For
Christmas, they went to other classrooms to learn about other cultures and
have all week been getting treats from those cultures. Such as a pastry
with whipped cream, chocolate and a candy red hot! When I found out what
he had that day, it explained his behavior after picking him up from
school. I wrote his teachers a note basically reminding them of his
allergies and the effect on his behavior.
Their response was "let us teach" and "do not promote a victim mentality".
They even included in their note that my son needs to be the one
responsible to not eat the things he's not allowed to have. And, they said
they had "tested him with M&M's to see what he would do and he took them".
WHAT?! For one, what 7 year old isn't going to want to take M&M's that
their teacher gives to them in class and everyone else is getting them?!
Second, how is it a victim mentality to have a reaction from certain
Isn't there a LAW against teachers giving out foods to students?
WHO CAN I TURN TO? I've already been around with the teachers AND the
school counselor and this is what happened. What do I do now?
"Didn't see "hearing" listed under major life activities...as in those with
hearing impairments/loss...that should obviously be included in your
examples for readers.
"As a parent of a child who will soon be in a 504, this article was very
helpful to answer some of the beginner questions of its origin and
application. I wish that administrators would stop using so much textbook
examples and try and look at each student as an individual, I understand
teaching is a demanding job and not all students and their parents are
negotiable towards either criticism or emphasis. But so many students are
placed on a "as needed basis" and end up getting lost in the shuffle until
its too late, or really don't read the students needs or the parents whom
are trying to help their children but are told to do the "lets wait and
see" act. That is why teachers and administrators must listen more often
with that educated ear they so cautiously keep closed to the wrong people
and most become more observant to the real needs of those students whom
display needs. These children usually have very good parents to help
them, but become frustrated themselves when t!
hey see how frustrated their children have become due to this "wait and
see" attitude by the administrators and teachers. If a parent with an
educated background and sound decision making comes to you for help with a
child with needs, please educational professionals, starting listening and
act on their behalf!!!!
"What about riding a bus? My child is 5 and I was told she cannot ride the
bus due to being disruptive. She has OCD and severe anxiety disorder
brought on by bus riding new school etc. The Principal called me and said
she needs a new way to get to school until we figure out whats wrong with
her. Would being allowed to take the bus fall under the 504 act due to
her anxiety? Thank you.
"This article is riddled with gross generalizations and in many cases
outright mistakes in its interpretation of the law. I storngly suggest
people go elsehwere and that the site take this article down and
"How long is a school district by law required to keep records of my childs
"I have a question for you, my almost six year old son has asthma and
allergies and just now receiving speech help due to the fact when he was
younger had nine seizures, and numerous ear infection. When it cold
outside he has trouble breathing will I have kept him home due to this and
the school here in Oklahoma has no school nurse so it is the school
secretary, superintendent and the principal that provides medical care
they have been told and I have talk to the Dr about this and the school
was sent a form from the dr saying he has a medical condition then he got
suspended for 3 days for moving his chair that he had over his head the
principal called me and told me my son had an accident and about the
incident in the classroom room. Now my thing is that the people are
notorious for saying things that are confidential and basically told me if
he misses any more days he would be kept back in Kindergarten all the
teachers and administrators have favorites and my son is not one of them
and neither am I they are judgmental and it is a small school and the
principal has been know to get in a child's face and yell and scream at
them. I have tired to get help here but no one seems to know what to do
about this. My son is a loving, kind and caring kid and he is smart too.
"My son is ADHD. This year he is a junior and his grades are falling. This
is the first year he is failing classes. He has a 504 in place but not all
of teachers are follwing his accomodations. I am also a teacher in the
school district which makes it awkward for me to speak up. Should I skip
speaking to my local 504 coordinator and contact the federal coordinator?
"Under 504, a child has the right to a nurse, under insulin laws in CA, a
licensed nurse must administer insulin. Also a parent DOES have the right
to write their own 504. It is up to the parent to request daily routines
and daily management, this is written in relation to doctors orders. All
children with medical needs have access to a nurse, cost cannot be used in
a court of law either, so districts cannot say they can't efford it. Your
information is wrong with regards to parental involvement in 504 planning
and you shold support childrens health by mentioning the legal rights to
licensed nurses for medical treatment and care at school.
"Does the 504 go on a middle schoolers record when she applies for high
school and if so does it limit her chances of getting into a good school?
"I have a little sister who is currently a sophomore and an honors student
at the Bronx High School of Science (1 AP course, two honors courses,
studio art, and an athletic commitment) and has earned grades at or above
90 on a 100 scale both of the past semesters. She is also dysgraphic and
somewhat dyslexic; we've never had her officially tested or diagnosed but
she's always had a problem with letters and numbers spontaneously
rearranging themselves at times. She's on track to do even better this
year in all of her classes except foreign language, in which she's
averaging 75s on the tests. There's a possibility she can still pull a 90
in the class but it's very much up in the air. Because she's never been
diagnosed and she's been homeschooled until ninth grade (because we
couldn't afford good private or Catholic schools and we don't live near a
decent public school)there's nothing on file for her. Is it possible to
have a 504 that solely allows her extended time or modificat!
ions to test format for only one class? Also, are there any studies about
how 504s affect acceptance metrics for top students at magnet high
schools? Is there any sort of "asterisk effect" on the way colleges
consider the performance of students with accommodations?
"How too get shot record for new school
"Im from Texas and my son is in kindergarten and he was placed in a 504
meeting because he has absent seizures, I went to a follow up meeting and
they are telling me because the doctor has recommended that my son not be
able to play on any gym equipment that they might have to remove him from
school pending what the school district says can they do this just because
of that, he has medical records that they already have and a school doctor
has seen him and now they are telling me this stuff. If they can do this
what can I do to fight keep my son in school.
"I'm hoping someone can help me. I've researched and cannot find
information. We moved to a new state and my son was diagnosed PPDNOS in
2nd grade. He is now in 6th grade entering middle school. We have made
great progress and his PPDNOS is manageable but he still has a difficult
time finding a peer group and is an easy target to get picked on/bullied.
I debated whether or not to tell his teachers because he does great
academically but thought they might be able to help socially. I requested
a meeting with the guidance counselor. His diagnosis was disclosed to the
guidance counselor and we asked her not to say anything to the teachers at
this point. She did. A teacher informed me of a 504 meeting I did not know
about. I feel violated; I was looking for advice on if I should tell his
teachers because whether we like it or not, there are pros and cons to
telling teachers if we have high functioning PDDNOS children. Is what the
school did legal? Is this what they are !
supposed to do - tell everyone? If so, I may have done my son a big
disservice and do not know how I should deal with this going forward.
"I moved to Alabama from Florida and found that every state truly does
operate on their own agenda when it comes to 504, IEPs and "No child left
behind" all together. In Florida, as soon as the teachers noticed that my
son was struggling, they contacted me and offered a referral to a
counselor to see if there was a problem that could be worked through
before they did any testing on my son for disabilities. He was in the 1st
grade. This help was significant for us because my mother being a social
worker, had already noticed signs that my son may have had a problem
earlier, but of course as a parent I wanted the normal child. We went
through with the testing at the end of his 1st grade year, which he ended
up having to repeat. The school district determined that my son had ADHD
and classified him has having an OHI so that he could have an IEP. Once
all of this was in order, I was set up with a weekly counseling for my son
who would visit his classroom weekly and we would meet w!
ith her at home or in her office weekly all at no cost to me. He was not
moved into a 'special education' classroom, and when I came to the school
I was always impressed with how well his teacher and the para-professional
that was assigned to his classroom interacted with each other and the
children. (I must also state that I have another son that is 15 months
younger than the son that I am speaking of and he has no problems at all,
but all of the same accomedations that were being made for my older son
were also seen in the classroom of my younger son.) I was highly impressed
at the way that this public school operated their system being sure that
no children were singled out if there was a IEP/disability or anything of
that sort so that they could live as normal of a childhood as possible.
Unfortunately this particular school ended at the 2nd grade, but I was
given the option of placing my son in any school that I wanted to public
or private at no cost to me based on his !
diagnosis! I chose to send him to a private Christian school t!
hat had a small classroom setting. In doing this, I also learned that
private schools don't have to make accomondations for children with
learning disabilities like public schools. I guess we were blessed though,
because my son flourished at his new school! He started out a little
shakey, but he ended up making As & Bs with no additional help!
Fast forward to our move to Alabama. Things have been down hill since
then. I moved to an area that is suppose to have one of the best school
systems in the state (right outside of Birmingham) and they refused to
accept my son's IEP. They also refused to do any testing or offer any
services to him based on the medical diagnosis that I provided from his
doctor. They required that I pay for all of his testing if I wanted it
done, which I paid over $2000 for. Even then, they still refused to review
his information and develop an action plan or IEP to help my son do well.
What they did do, suspend my son monthly, call/email me almost daily, make
threats of action and never follow up on them,and talk down to me like I
was a small child (I was a minority parent in a non-minority school
system. I graduated with honors with a B.A. so was I offended, HIGHLY!)
They would constantly tell me what their code of conduct said, so I fought
fire with fire and I started quoting back the the c!
ode of conduct to them and showing documentation of each and every
meeting that they had me to leave work to attend. This resulted in this
particular school implementing a new code of conduct amongst the
administration at my son's school where the teachers could now make more
'liberal' decisions about a child's consequences based on their action.
When I challenged this and threatened to contact the state/federal
government to file an official complaint, they tried to start singing a
new tune. Unfortunately it was now mid-April...too little too late. Now my
kids are both out of the public school system again. My oldest son is 13
and has been dignosed with ADHD-combined-type, ODD, Depression, affective
disorder and Bi-Polar Disorder. Many of his therapists here have
attributed his depression to the move to Alabama and how things went his
first year of school here. I have contemplated suing the school district
were he was, but what would that accomplish? Just know that if you !
have a child with any type of disabilities, Alabama is the WOR!
ST STATE for them. Even after I contacted the state of with my
documentation 2 years later I still haven't gotten anywhere. The worst
part of it all, there are no specialized schools in the entire state for
people with disabilities unless your are deaf or blind! Even then, you are
limited to only 1 school which would require that you ship your child
away. The ESE teachers here are not required to have any special
instruction or testing for licensure. You just basically have to have a
degree in any subject and agree to take the general teacher's
certification exam within a specified time period. The best option for any
Alabama student to be successful with or without a disability--HOME
SCHOOL! But even then, in Alabama you have to go through a religious
organization to be recognized as a home school student so those who want
to educate their child without boarders or stereotypes have a whole other
battle to fight!
"My.son has been diagnosed with bilateral perthes which puts him in a
wheelchair sometimes...when he takes his chair he has a very difficult
time getting around...pulling up to the lunch table ect and teachers at
his school won't help. He is on a 504 and I'm wondering about school
providing an aide on.the days he has to take the chair? ... Its to the
point I have tp fight him to take the chair...any suggestions?
"My son was diagnosed with Severe Deep Depression and deemed non-functional
at age 15 in his freshman year. He has flunked freshman and sophmore year
in school. He has received treatment and medication, which he is still on
some for anxiety and panic attacts. His highschool dragged myself and my
son to court for truancy four sepperate occasions. This was their first
and only acts, never anything prior to this as far as help or warnings. He
now wants to drop out of school and I feel the school has neglected to
help and has done more harm than anything. Is there anythng I can do for
him?? Please help??
"my disabled son (on state disability)was expelled from 6th grade after school decided his disability had nothing to w his actions. the school had told me for 2 yrs to have him evaluated due to his disability causing him to have problems, and promised extra rights..then had manifestation metting and decided otherwise..funny how they make u get help for a child then take away rights just to get out of their school..now 9 months ater i still cant get im into any school district bc they refuse to lift the expuksion..
"I have a 15 year old that was severely depressed last year and missed most
if not all of her freshman year in high school. She made up most of her
credits, but is short 15. Is it right for her school to send her to
continuation school, because of her depression? If she was a cancer
patient would they be considerate? How does section 504 protect my
daughter? and what can I do as a parent to help my child stay in regular
"can a rehabilition center providing employment training to an ssi claimant
make the claimant change their home address?
"I was doing research on laws about special needs children and was
wondering if anyone knows if a school district can refuse to send my
disabled child to another school that is better suited for his needs when
they have other children at this school "
"I found this article interesting. I work for and elementary before and
after school program and I was trying to get an air conditioner put in my
classroom but the head maintenace person we cant due to the 504 plan. can
anybody out ther explain this to me please? I have many IEP students but
are not told they are. I have many asthma students, a few allergy students
and lots of ADD ADH children. I say this head maintanence man doesnt want
to put it in and used and excuse. I work in NJ and my boss wont even look
this up to help us out so Im giving it my best shot cause parents are not
happy and we got the air conditioner given to us. I need help please."
"my 18 yrd old son is deaf from one ear since 5yrd old he is also learning
disable,as of now he is at home because the shool that he was attending
did not provided the services that he needed.I found him a private school
that has all the program for him ,the only that holding us is a
letter from the board of ed called the nichelson letter in order for him
to attended the school,I have called different places I have spoken with
someone from the board of ED but no luck yet not even the school had
contact me to find about my son is has been two months and no one care
about my situation"
"My 13 year old daughter was recently hospitalized and diagnosed with
Crohn's disease. Some mornings are rough. Some nights are rough. Has
anyone asked about the 504 plan for this reason? Do I inquire at her
"No Thanks, I said to SEP and section 504. My son was recently tested and
diagnosed through the school board to be placed in the special education
program. I listened to their assessment and promptly refused it. I did not
allow them to place him in the SEP program...Why? I think elementary is too
early to diagnose a child with learning disabilities. This decision could
have drastic effects on his future, resulting in low academic achievements,
leaving him with no chance of attending a grade A college due to class
placement. I will consider the SEP if he continues to struggle in the
future, but we as parents need to make sure we make the right choices for
our children. My decision is based on my past experience with my two older
daughters. They both struggled through there elementary School years. Both
girls went through the IEP programmed offered after school as a form of
tutoring and prep for the CRCT test and this is what I learned over the past
12yrs. Don't worry, they will be alright.
My oldest was held back in kindergarten, more or less for maturity reasons.
She continued to struggle through elementary. I continued to refuse to
medicate her as I was told to do so by many teachers along the way. I paid
$75.00 an hour for a tutor during her 3rd grade yr. The tutor was no help
and to expensive. Not once did they offer to test her for special education
due to a learning disability, nor did I ask. I totally thought she had one
at the time. After she entered 6th grade I was proven wrong and she became
an honor roll student. She's currently a senior with a 3.7 GPA, sheÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ll
graduate in the spring of 2011 with honors and several college course
achieved by taking advanced placement classes. She'll be attending the
college of her choice this fall and seeking a bachelor's degree in science.
My younger daughter who's currently a 7th grade honor roll student had to
experience summer school after failing the CRCT at the end of 5th grade. She
failed it twice. It was a surprise to us both times. I believe her nerves
took over and failed her. I don't know the rules most people follow when
something like this happens, but I went straight into conference with her
class teacher and the principal. I explained what I thought her issues were
and why I knew she was capable and ready for the 6th grade. They agreed and
she has excelled in middle school. I don't know what changed my daughters or
why they both became such good students after leaving elementary. I can only
assume that maturity and a willingness to learn took over.
These are major changes I wanted to share considering they suffered with
attention issues, low test scores, lack of knowledge with homework, low
grades on assignments, performed poorly on test, causing them to suffer
stomach pains and nausea each morning before school. The pressure to succeed
and the lack of explaining the lesson on hand contribute to it all.
Elementary years are the hard ones and it took years for me to learn that
teachers are not always correct. Listen to your inner voice as a parent,
seek advice from others, accept the mistakes, and don't let your children
fall behind without your hand on their back.
Don't rush to label your child. Once you place them in the SEP that's where
they will remain. It's almost impossible to go back into regular classrooms.
Know what type of diploma they will receive with the SEP. It may be
different than a regular one. All I'm saying is research before you sign;
it's your 10yr olds future at stake
"I'm trying to find someone that might be able to help me get my daughter
on the 504 plan at her school."
"My daughter is diagnosed with Pediatric Bi-polar and ODD with ADHD
tendancies. She gets fantastic grades, however has tremendous trouble
getting to school on time and getting her homework done after school. We
don't know what to try anymore. Would a 504 plan allow her to go to school
later and make allowances for her homework, based on the amazing grades
she gets on everything else. Would she even qualify since she is not on
"My stepdaughter is on the 504 plan but her father and I have no idea why
or who recommended this. Where do we get this information?"
"My stepdaughter falls under Section 504 at her high school, but it appears
that she consistently does not hand in her homework or attend school the
days there are exams. We cannot get a straight answer out of her or her
mother, who say 'everything is fine.' She is supposed to graduate this
spring, but as far as we can tell, she wouldn't have enough credits to
graduate even if she passed everything this semester, which she has at
least 3 Fs. So my question is, would a 504 section program for a student
stipulate that she does not have to actually do her school work? That she
can just pass the class by showing up? She has OCD and depression and has
been medicated since she was 5. She also has a co-dependent (and
dr-diagnosed depression) mother who has led her to believe that she can
get away with anything because of her illness. I feel for all the parents
here who have kids who struggle even when doing their very best. What do
you do about a kid that is taking advantage of the system and then crying
about it later that 'it doesn't work?'"
"If a child has a 504 plan in place, and the teacher states that 'if' she
can implement the modificaitons she will, is this a violation of the plan?
Are educators required to follow what is in the plan, and should a
complaint be filed if they refuse?"
I have a preschooler year with sleep apnea. He attends preschool through
our public elementary school. He is also on an IEP for a learning
disability. The school is requiring him to attend afternoon preschool
rather than morning preschool. Due to the sleep apnea, he is at his best
in the morning and by afternoon needs to rest. I am worried that by
forcing him to school in the afternoon, he is not obtaining the best
learning environment that he needs for his learning disability. Can the
sleep apnea qualify for a 504? With this, would he be allowed to attend
the morning program?"
"My son was treated for Chronic ear infection since the start of school. He
had lost a significant amount of hearing and began missing school
sporadically for appointments and simply being in pain. He was having
trouble hearing in class and focusing. His grades dropped and he was
handing in work late, which was in turn graded as such, for lesser grades
than deserved. He just this past week had a tumor removed from his ear,
and is deaf in that ear. How can the 504 plan help or protect him. The
Dr. offered to write a letter if needed. Can it be used to retroactively
have the grades that were given as partial credit due to tardiness
improved now that there is proof of the condition? I need help, this is
all SO new to me!"
"My son is 14,with Dyslexia,ADHD and depression. They took him out of his
504 status and I am trying to get him back in. My daughtet went through
high school without the true help she needed to succeed and is now 2 years
out of HS not attending college. I don't want my son to just slide through
HS and not have the tools in place for college. The schools are failing
these children. They are smart yet made to feel stupid. We need people who
care enough to help these kids succeed. My daughter has Dyscalculia(a form
of Dyslexia) and went through HS in a math class with kids with severe
brain injury and retardation. She became severely depressed and gave up on
her life. I am trying to get her started in some college classes.
I am trying to get my son back on 504. That is my first step for him for
the new year. I wish I knew other parents in this area going through the
same things. I feel like a failure if I watch my highly intelligent son
struggle through HS and give up like my daughter did.
"My son has been in the 504 program since he was in the 7th grade. He is
now in the 9th. My dilemma is he is now in a different school district
that says they have a 504 program, which is untrue. There 504 program
consists of the child going to a learning lab where a teacher is supposed
to help the child with there school work. My question then is why my son
still fails his work that he is doing in the lab? My wife talked to the
principal and the only guidelines they had were for the 8th grade. The
principal then asked my wife to look over the paper to see what they
needed to use and what to take off of the paper. That obviously means
there is no set program in place and it is already near semester end.
What can I do about this situation?"
"THE SCHOOL NURSE IS PUTTING MY DAUGHTER ON A THE 504 PLAN, SHE HAS
DIABETES, EXCELS IN SCHOOL UNLESS HER BLOOD GLUCOSE LEVELS ARE OUT OF
CONTROL, THEN SHE TESTS POORLY. THIS YEAR SHE ENTERED THE 7TH GRADE, HAVE
HAD TWO TEACHERS THAT WOULD NOT GO BY HER SCHOOL ORDERS, THEY HAVE NO IDEA
THE THINGS SHE GOES THROUGH BEING INSULIN DEPENDANT & BEING A CHILD WITH
THIS ILLNESS FOR 7 YEARS NOW."
"Question: Who pays for services and modifications in Section 504? "
"I was very pleased to find this site. I wanted to thank you for this great
read!! This is a very informative post, it helps me more."
"My daughter was just diagnosed with Narcolepsy and we've set up a 504 with
her counselor. None of her teachers or the counselor know what should be
on the 504 exactly. So the only thing I knew to ask for was extended time
on testing and assignments. With this said, how does she get extended
time on the SAT, ACT and AP testing? I've heard that there is paperwork
to file which would give her up to 50% more time on these tests due to the
Narcolepsy effects. Also, she is a junior in high school and this testing
is of great importance at this time as she prepares for college entrance
and looking for scholarships. I've also heard that she would be limited to
testing to a 2-hour maximum due to the inability to concentrate for a long
time. Can anyone help me out with what type of paperwork or forms have to
be filed for the time extension on the SAT, ACT and AP testing? Thank
"I am meeting tomorrow wth the RTI (response team intervention team)and
teachers at my son's high school. He is now in 11th grade. After years of
having a hard time with school, we finally had him tested for ADHD
,depression,and other learning disabilities. He was diagnosed with all of
the above and considered 'at risk'. He has had a Psycologist on and off
most of his life and she is the one who did the testing. It was also
recommended by a tutor he needed 3 times a week last semester in 10th
grade.I got this report 1 week before school started and presented it to
the school on registration. I met with the shool psycologist and ESE
coodinator and was told he probably oes not qualify due to his grades not
being that bad. The first RTI meeting was to be a week ago but they forgot
to invite us (the parents) and had to reschedule. My son was allowed to
play football for the first 2 weeks since tey missed that his grades were
too low for sports so now they pulled him off the team.!
Now he is even more depressed and I WOULD NOT BE SUPRISED IF HE TRIES TO
QUIT SCHOOL ALTOGETHER.He has accoding to the coach to go pro-football.
The coach also worked some with ESE and stated to me that my son has the
NEED in his opinion nd I could quote him on that. Another issue is that
for the first half of tenth grade he was living with his mom and she had a
mold problem in her house and he missed 42 days of school in 1 semester. I
asked how they could count that.Last thing, I hope to get help as soon as
possible and I understand there is a time line which the school board must
comply with. It seems I have all needed to get him help but they want to
TRY everything else. The testing was $2000 and seems ery
conclusive.....HELP my son...."
"I had a meeting with my son's counselor for his 504. He was on the
telephone. She asked him if he still needed the 504. Of course he said
'NO'. She decided to remove the 504. My question is who makes that
decision to remove the plan for him. Second, when you have your annual
evaluation what staff members need to be present by law. I feel my son
and child have been cheated by the system and he can be another child
falling thru the cracks."
"To have a child evaluated for 504, it very much helps to have a medical
diagnosis. This may be provided through a medical doctor, or another
professional such as a psychologist or psychiatrist. In the case of poor
organization, it may be worthwhile to look into whether your child has
other symptoms of ADHD, which can present in a variety of different ways.
It may be possible to show that he or she needs accomodations such as
extended time, testing in a quiet room, organizational materials or notes
provided, and other strategies. A child with a disability may also qualify
for an IEP, if the disability is significant enough to require specialized
instruction. You may also want to look into whether the school
psychologist at your school does assessment for ADHD. Depression, at a
clinical, diagonsable level, may also qualify a student for a 504 plan,
provided it is neither minor nor transitory (transitory equals about six
months duration or expected duration). Bottom line, ass!
essment is necessary and if the school is resistant, having an outside
assessment may help bring the issues forward more strongly. Good luck!"
"How do I have my 17 year old son tested or evaluated when his teachers
insist and have insisted since 10th grade that he has poor organization
skills and that's all that's wrong? He has averaged between a c & D
average since 8th grade. FINALLY, his GPA is too low to participate in any
activities, so he's depressed. He wants desperately to go to college, but
his counselors keep trying to convince him that he's not 'organized'
enough to successfully go through college. I feel bad that it's taken me
this long to persist, as this is his last year in High School. He is an
impeccable athlete and has universities from around the country interested
in him. But, his academic reports are tragic! What can I do to have him
evaluated for Section 504 so that his college years won't be like this?"
"Thank you. This was very helpful."
"What do you do when all the school test and private doctor tests show you
child needs special sevices and the school can care less. You already have
IEPs set up. They want to change them to hold the student with
disabilities accountable. I'm sick about this. It's like we're living in
the dark ages in Texas. What happened to George's plan. Does he know that
we live within 40 miles of him and the school doesn't care? What happened
"My son has Bipolar disorder as do I. He will start high school next year
and we are trying to get something in place before he starts to protect
him. When I ask straight out the difference between a 504 plan and an IEP
I don't get a straight answer. So what I'm understanding from this site is
that as long as the district and school and ALL teachers abide by the IEP,
it can be as successfull as a 504. All my son wants is to 'feel' normal
and not be treated differently. He is newly medicated and when his IQ was
tested he scored superior. I'm still concerned and would like advice on
the best way to go about getting him the best care to be succesfull in
high school, any advice or opinion will help. Thanks"
"I have a son who is 17. He is a junior with a GPA or 3.5 He already has
college as a plan and is down to two schools as a choice.
He has been diagnoised ADD and Disthymic (low grade depression), and has
had a 504 plan since 7th grade. I am a mental health therapist by trade
and fight for other children who need 504 plans.
The 504 plan is something reviewed each year. If your child has attention
issues, or a mental health issue, you can get a 504 plan. They can carry
it all the way to college. It will not hurt them when they apply or go.
They have services there to help also. They will not hold the plan against
I have had to fight schools to get it done. I will refuse to let the
meeting close, until there is a plan in place. I want to tell the parents
and famly members on her how to fight.
Pull up the 504 plan and info online from a great website, that comments
on what qualifies. Take that to your meeting. Have diagnosis paperwork
from the doctor also. You may even want the doctor to write a note saying
that the child qualifies. Do not let them hold a meeting with teachers
missing. Tell them that if the teacher cannot show, you want to
reschedule. All teachers (gym, home ec, math, even the teacher in study
hall). Do not let them ring a note from a teacher who could not be there.
That is unacceptable. You cannot question a note. Each teacher should be
there to say what interventions they use that works and does not work.
They may tell you that they are already doing the changes and do not need
a plan. Do not go for it. If they are doing interventions, they need to
put it in writing. What if your child went to a school next year? They
will try to leave before you feel the meeting is over. When you schedule
the meeting, tell them if they have somewhere they need !
to be, they need to reschedule for another day. You may need an hour. If
they try to close out the meeting while you are there, tell them that you
need to have another meeting so that you feel you have been heard, and
understand all the pieces. Do not sign anything you don't understand. Ask
questions. Just because these people have degrees, does not mean that they
know everything that is best for your child. "
"My daughter has been on the 504 plan since 2007. It has worked out well
for her and she will be graduating this year. There are some other
benefits to this plan, your child my be able to receive free college
tution in the state of TN. Contact your local Vocational Rehabilitation
Regional Office for assistance.
"To the parent of the student who fell: it sounds like you have significant
legal claims against your school district. You should find an attorney in
your state specializing in student-side education law. "
"Regarding the post on 3-8-10, daughter in middle school now getting C's
and D's, I'm in the same boat, in fact I could have written your post!!!!
When I asked the school about a 504 for my daughter, I was told that
students with a C or better average didn't qualify and that my daughter
had a C average. I was also told that her teachers didn't think she
needed to be put on a 504, they felt she just needed to develop better
organization skills!!!! (She's ADD and has an anxiety disorder.)"
"my son is 7 years old and we live in one school district but attends
another but both schools say that the other school is to give the test and
i don't know what to do"
"My son is on a 504 plan in which it states that he is not to be left alone
due to being high risks for falls, possibly having a diagnosis of muscular
dystrophy. However, while at school 2 days ago he was left while in the
bathroom and his teacher and the rest of the class went outside to recess
to a park across the street. My son was trying to hurry and catch up with
the class and he fell down the steps and got seriously hurt. He has a
fractured foot and possibly a dislocated ankle joint on his dominant leg.
When I got to the school to pick him up to take him to the doctor the
nurse was very rude and hateful and treated him like there was nothing
wrong insisting he did not need to sit down and rest even though he was in
tears. I just want to know if anyone else has had a similar situation and
if you have any suggestions on how to handle this and should the school be
liable and me make them pay for the medical bills due to this injury. He
has had to have 3 x-rays, and tod!
ay they are sending him for a CT scan and MRI, and if they show that his
foot is dislocated he will have to have surgery before Monday and they
will have to put a pin in it. Thanks for any advice."
"I really thankful to you for this great read!! You did a very great job,
keep it up."
"My daughter is having difficulty transitioning to the middle school
experience. She is getting C's and D's in some of her core classes. She
never had grades this low until now. She is doing the work , but, not
getting it turned in for various reasons, including forgetting it in her
locker, turning it in the wrong day etc...I have asked her team to allow
her to turn all work in first thing in the morning so she does not lose it
or forget it. My Brother has worked as a middle school Principal for over
15 years, he reviewed her records and said she may need accomodations but
that this would tick off her teachers and cause her more grief. Is this
right? She already has 2 teachers that I would say border on abusive and
have responded to my requests for help with this in unprofessional
ways....one teacher actually wanted to know what I was implying when I
asked why my daughter was tardy to her class and disciplined in her class
only. I asked what she thought the problem was a!
nd that was her reponse. I don't expect anything more than help with
this situation.... is the 504 appropriate?"
"I am wondering if anyone knows why a student on a 504 would be suspended
numerous times during a school year and numerous times the school did not
call my sister and tell her that her son was suspended? I see this as a
violation of his civil rights....one time he was suspeneded for 2 weeks
because he colored the girl's hair who sits in front of him in the class.
One time he was suspended for tossing a pencil...for one week that
time....when he transfered from the middle school to the high school they
did not have a transition meeting, and the high school did not know he was
on a 504 until 1/2 way through the year, when I brought it to their
attention!!! This kid has spent more time out of class than in
class....Any advice so I can help my nephew and sister get this fixed."
"I work in a school district, I am the 504 coordinator. Keep in mind that
any info below is what is standard in my district and may differ from other
The most important thing to understand with 504's is that they do not
PROVIDE services, but they ensure that a student with special needs isn't
DENIED the opportunity to participate in or receive benefit from district
programs, services, or activities that any general ed student would receive.
This is not a special ed program. If teachers are willing to give students
accomodations (say, extra bathroom breaks for a student with a bladder
problem) without going through the 504 process, then there may be no need
for a 504. We will give extra sets of books to a student with a broken leg
so they don't have to carry a backpack, no 504 needed. If they need extra
time on tests to benefit from the curriculum, no problem. Some schools
aren't so willing to accomodate though, so a 504 would ensure that students
aren't denied opportunities.
Yes, in some ways proof is needed to show that the condition exists. Most
often this is a dr's note. However, the district can't require medical
records before moving forward with the evaluation. It just makes everything
smoother. If the student is REGARDED as having the impairment (for example
we can see the cast on the leg), that may qualify.
Speech services must go through the IEP process.
As comment 1/27/10 stated, students with a 504 don't automatically get extra
time on the ACT and SAT just becuase the 504 says so. It's a very rigorous
process to get extra time on these tests.
So, if you're thinking that your child needs a 504, ask yourself what
accomodations are being denied? What is standing in the way of your child
succeeding in school? If she can't get to class because she's in a
wheelchair and ramps aren't provided, there's an obvious case of
accomodations denied. But just because a student has ADHD doesn't
automatically mean a 504 is appropriate. The condition must substantially
impair one or more major life activities (walking, seeing, hearing,
speaking, breathing, learning, working, caring for oneÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s self, and/or
performing manual tasks), and BOTH parents/guardians and the school team
must agree that accomodations are necessary."
"I have an 8 yr old second grader who is on a 504 plan due to food
allergies to milk, egg whites and peanuts. He has no other issues. Is this
a bad thing for him to be on the 504 plan and will this follow him for the
remainder of his educational years? I have a conference scheduled with is
teacher and the school nurse, to discuss his allergies in details. My
son's teacher okayed him to take a swallow of milk when he expressed that
he was thristy after lunch last Wednesday."
"Re: the comment from 12/3/09, the statement was made that 'Even ACT and
SAT, required for entrance to college, will allow them to be taken untimed
if a student has that in their 504.' Just because that accommodation is
listed in a 504, the College Board (SAT) or ACT will not automatically
give the student extended time. Specific documentation must be provided
showing a need for extended time; simply writing it in a 504 will not
Re: questions about 504s affected college applications or permanent
records, it should not ever affect anything. A 504 is not printed on
report cards, diplomas, or anything a college or employer would want to
see. The only way a college will know if a student has a 504 is if the
student brings it to their attention because they want accommodations."
"My children have Celiacs disease. They are on the gluten free & casein
free diet. I've been told to get a 504 for them. This would limit the ways
food is used in the classroom. What are the ramifications for having your
child declared a 504? I only see the benefits, but I must be missing