02/21/2012:
"Portions of the Finnish system can work here. Across the board, no way.
Our lack of family values is the most obvious reason we can't be as
successful. In Findland teachers are respected, well educated and allowed
to create their instruction. We are governed by national, state standards
and local curriculums. If you tested the top 100 schools here and in
Finland you'd see little difference in scores. That tells us that students
coming from environments with community commitment can succeed. I think it
would be nieve to think we could do what they have done when you consider
the complexity of our country. Multiple languages, economics, and social
inequality contribute to widespread test scores. Being a homogeneos
country really helps their success. Most of the highest PISA scores come
from countries that are smaller with a population that is not diverse. The
Finnish model of creativity and lack of testing could actually fail if
implemented here. We should take the time to wor!
k toward this type of instruction as a test model. Obviously there are
some parts that have been discussed that could be implemented right away.
Interesting article.
"
01/27/2012:
"Has there been any comprehensive study comparing family life in the US to
those of European nations such as Finland? I would suggest that the
breakdown of the family in the US is a large part of the education system
problem. The systematic breakdown of the traditional family is as fault
for failing education and performance in the US. Also, the loosening of
Christian moral standards and compass is related. Materialism and greed
has infiltrated every aspect of American society.
"
10/19/2011:
"Homogeneous vs. melting pot?
The languages of Finland ARE NOT as homogeneous as those we have in US.
In US we mainly (97%) speak Germanic European English and Latin European
Spanish. In Finland, 98% speak Germanic European Swedish and Uralic
Finnish. The Swedish and Finnish languages are not related to any degree.
And Finland has almost as high percentage "other" languages.
wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_United_States
wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Finland
However, Finland IS homogeneous in one respect: The invading Swedes
decided to abolish poverty and illiteracy for the 2-3% "other" languages.
One could argue that we haven't even done that for our two primary
languages.
"
04/27/2011:
"This is all well and quite good but what other than good PISA test scores
is the Finnish educational system doing? We should not act as if high test
scores on a standardized test are in and of themselves any real
accomplishment.
I'm all for Finland but what are their well educated and learned young
people doing? ( I admit I'm impressed by the underground city under
Helsinki where heat is reclaimed and used again)
Has Finland lately produced a new vaccine against a world disease? How
should we measure a country's contributions to the world? Did Finland
invent the Internet - arguably the greatest invention in the sphere of
human communication?
It's very short-sighted and in every way to celebrate any country's test
scores - test scores are just that and real accomplishments that move
forward the frontier of human knowledge and progress are something else
again."
01/18/2011:
"Posted on 05/24/2010 'This is an absurd comparison. Finland's population
is largely homogeneus and the US population is diverse. Teachers here have
more challenges than if they taught students just like themselves.'
I totally disagree with you. My 9 year old attends the EKL program in
Kortepohja, Jyväskylä, which goes from 1st grade to 6th grade. Her
classmates are from France, Italy, Thailand, Singapore, Africa, Australia,
and Finnish kids born overseas. Her teachers are all native Finns. So,
how do her teachers manage to pull off the same 'miracle' considering that
they are teaching such a diverse group of children?
The answer is simple. The teaching methods used in Finland will work on
any group, whether homogeneous or diverse.
And someone else commented on socialism vs. freedom. Finnish teachers
have the freedom to make learning fun, while American teachers have their
hands tied because of bureaucracy.
I don't think the critics can really understand how/why Finnish education
is so superior unless they were to experience putting their own kids
through the American school system, and then being able to put one of
their kids through the Finnish system. That's my unique experience and I
couldn't be happier for making the decision to move to Finland 5 years
ago."
09/21/2010:
"Dear GreatSchools team and Mr. Pelissier,
Best article I have read so far on famous Finnish school system,
repeatedly mentioned in Brazil also. Lots to learn, though, as in US,
potentially difficult to apply in entirety.
Nevertheless, until now I have not found what are exact components of
Finnish school-curriculum from K-12 and exact school hours. Where I live,
there is a great question mark as to have day-long schools vs. half-day
schools, which are currently the norm in Brazil.
Is there any way your team could answer these 2 questions?
Sincerily,
Daniel de Godoy Lopes
Administrative Specialist in Brazilian Public Service and concerned
father."
07/19/2010:
"I am so proud to be half Finnish and my mother will be pleased when I tell
her. I have always known that Finland excells in many things and they are
famous for quite a few things"
07/19/2010:
"That's all fine and well if you want to live in a socialist society. As a
home school mom and member of HSLDA I see deeper into their working
systems than this article goes into. Freedom comes with a price. If you
don't want to pay that price, then move."
07/19/2010:
"I think the one factor that everyone leaves out is sports in schools. In
Finland sports are extra curricular and education is left to the schools.
When the time and cost of sports, cost of equipment, cost of sports
facilities, cost of equipment and facility maintenance, and cost of sports
personal is deducted, then America spends far less on education per
student. This is the real difference in comparing the US education system
to any other country. Now we all know that you can put the best and
brightest American students up against any other country. Even our failing
schools still have some of the brightest students. But these studies and
comparisons are apples to oranges and usually are themselves produced to
garner money or sway political power. "
07/19/2010:
"'Finnish teachers enjoy immense independence. Allowed to design their own
lesson plans and choose their own textbooks'
That pretty much sums up why their teachers are held in high regard and
have great results compared to us: USA teachers aren't respected because
so many truly are just taking the job as the last result of the
incompetent. The, if they really are any good, they must rely on
politically driven garbage texts, and are stuck with lesson plans created
by Educational 'doctorate' mythology.
My own child quit teaching (high school math) after just one year because
of the brain-deadening array of political correctness, professional
wanna-be administration, and required promotion of all student regardless
of subject mastery."
05/24/2010:
"This is an absurd comparison. Finland's population is largely homogeneus
and the US population is diverse. Teachers here have more challenges than
if they taught students just like themselves."
05/20/2010:
"'So, were the 15-year olds that were tested from a vocational or academic
program. If they were only from the latter, these results are easily
explained by PISA testing Finland's top half of students.'
Kids start vocational or academic program when they are 16. 15 year olds
study all together in comprehensive schools."
05/17/2010:
"We do have the Finnish Model in the USA. It's called Waldorf Education!
Let's transform the world with more public Waldorf schools!"
05/12/2010:
"I finished school in EU. My kids go to school in USA. They speak two
languages and, English is their current (second) language. Yet, they are
the best readers/students. They made one interesting observation that is
pretty obvious to anyone who speak some other language. A lot of kids
never learn to write and read their own language properly, in USA. Kids
were comparing languages they use and, they suggested language reform,
which really make sense. Every letter needs just one sound. You should
write every word as you speak it, and read it exactly as it is written.
Kids have natural tendency to write it, as they hear it and, as they say
it. We actually teach them to twist what they hear and, to write it down
twisted. Kids in other countries (not China, thought) have huge advantage
over USA kids. They know to read and write, very well, very correct and
fluent, at very young age, while here, kids still struggle to get a
spelling and meaning of the words, let alone whole idea !
of sentences. It adds up, big time, through years and they are falling
behind. Instead of thinking about concept/idea of what they are reading,
they are trying to figure out if they got some particular word correctly.
My country did just that in 19th century - they did complete reform of
language. Imagine, some centuries ago, just priests were literate and,
could read and write - then Latin was replaced with something that
ordinary people can grasp and understand and educate themselves. Same here
- language need some evolution and change, if it means better education
and smarter people. And, Finland do have competition - how do you think
all those extra good students get enrolled in free, limited number of
places, on just 20 schools provided for whole nation? (No matter how small
country is - do the math - just 200-250 people per year can get into it -
so there is competition and audition.) "
05/12/2010:
"Historically, institutionalized education has never had anything to do
with preparing individuals to compete. In many European cultures through
the ceturies, it has been somthing reserved for the powerful and elite.
The rest of the population relied on parents and other members of the
community to impart the necessary knowlege for survival and success. This
notion of education as means to succeeding in global competition is
pernitious nonsence. The U.S. has never truly competed with the rest of
the world - so lets not confuse domination with competition. Our public
education system was designed initially to prevent children from working
and competing with adults during the Industrial Revolution and latef
mutated into sorting institutions that guided young people into factory
jobs or college depending on the socio-economic status of the student.
For more information I recommend the book Dumbing Us Down by John Taylor
Gatto. On the issue of comparing our public schoo!
l system to the education systems in countries - the most profound
difference has to do with the cultural and racial diversity of the U.S.
vs. the uniformity of most other industrial nations. If you've ever
visited Japan, Germany or Finland, you'ii notice that the overwhelming
number of citizens in these countries share a common race, culture, and
work ethic. The smaller size of these countries compared to the U.S. must
also be taken into account. The education debade in the U.S. today runs
too much on ignorance, fear, poitics and superstition than on any
substantive or rational approach. "
05/12/2010:
"I've heard the U.S. ranks about 18th out of 24 industrialized countries in
education albeit we spend more money. Students are graduating who cannot
read at the 4th or 5th grade level. The No Child Left Behind Act
distacted from the curriculum and teachers had to begin 'teaching the
test.' Less government interference is needed. If the gov't insists on
involvement, let them travel to the countries that are excelling in
education and prioritize our system so that children receive a viable and
proper education; not just those kids in wealthier neighborhoods. "
05/12/2010:
"Wow! Great article. Definitely makes one pause to think. I can only
imagine the benefits to my children to be enrolled in a non-competitive
environment guided by the brightest minds society has to offer. And then
to have their self-confidence nurtured so that they developed greater
self-motivational skills! AND at no out-of pocket cost to me from
preschool through college!! The Finns appear to have their priorities
straight. I am surprised at all the disgruntled nay-sayers who have
commented so negatively, as if it is a personal affront to all things
American. I think it is very American to want the best for your children
and to have an institution that is the best in the world."
05/12/2010:
"I live in California and speak from the experience of having watched the
finest state bankrupted by corrupt career politicans, special interest
groups, and mostly power unions plus the flood of Mexico, Honduras, and
Guatemala's poorest of poor. While the intention to better your quality
of life when immigrating is everyones goal many come here and do not
intend to do so legally and yet they enjoy all of the free social programs
offered like educating non-English speaking children, providing housing,
medical and food stamps. They put back very little into a burdened state
and send money tax free back to their home countries.
Secondly, the teachers and service unions have crippled the system by
their greed and rewarding terrible teachers that are tenured and need to
be fired preferring to look the other way. They have pensioned us to the
point of insanity. The graduating class is only at 53% so what is going
on with these fine educators?
Finnland has 9 million we have 320 million so what is a model for
socialism will never work for the U.S. You will see in four years with
socialized medicine we will lack any medical innovations, we will be on
rationed healthcare and the system will fail but with this failure our
children will be indepted to the tune of 37,000 per head. U.S. is not
looking to be successful under this current administration but will not
disappoint with being mediocre. I should know I have been in medicine for
26 years, the change is coming and you will not like it. "
05/12/2010:
"This is an interesting article, but I get quite tired of hearing it's the
union fault. If you really take a look at the American schools, you will
notice kids who are lazy, many are second language learners, many are poor
with social issues. I'm not saying this is all to blame for the current
educational state, but it plays a huge role. It's great that teachers in
Finland gets to develop their curriculum to assure teaching to standards.
In America teachers are told exactly what they say, use, and follow. One
day, a school system will be brave enough to try something new that allows
for more teacher freedom which equates to respect and trust!"
05/12/2010:
"'They may score high on tests, but as you did say in the article, their
country is not know for much other than Nokia which is not doing well
either. Therefore they have created very laid back, relaxed,
noncompetitive sponges who benefit from the creativity and hard work of
the rest of the world. At some point the relaxed well soaked sponges will
either dry up or shape up and start competing and working hard.'
Ummm, a little fact checking (CIA World Factbook) reveals that Finland is
certainly not the well-soaked sponge the PP is trying to make it out to
be. In fact, until the US economy took a nose dive and dragged the rest of
the world along with it, the country was one of the best performing
economies within the EU.
It must be hard for some to accept that a country that respects its
educators, allows children to be children, believes that testing as we
know it is counter-productive, and has real equality among its people can
succeed, but they did (until our country put the kabosh on the economy).
Let's celebrate the great role model that Finland is, and perhaps learn
what might work for us, rather than criticize it.
"
05/12/2010:
"If you spend long hours at work it doesn't mean you're more productive.
It's no secret that well rested people work harder and more efficiently.
Also, well planned is half done."
05/12/2010:
"Part of the problem in the U.S. is the fact that Standardized testing
plays such a large role in the educational system. I have seen teachers
that actually take math problems from a standardized test and go over them
the day before the test is given. Where is the challenge in that? Many
teachers are so nervous about acquiring tenure that they actually do
things like that to try to look like they are great teachers. Instead, if
their was more free reign given to teachers they may acutally enjoy the
art of teaching. Thus, that enthusiasim will show and help inspire the
children to soak up a love of learning. That is not being a sponge. Its
called loving what you do and being the very best at it. "
05/12/2010:
"I'm from Finland and my 7-year old child goes to school in the US. Both
systems have their good and bad. What I don't like here in the States is
that since Kindergarten kids get grades and are tested and evaluated on
everything all the time. (I hate the long detailed report cards.) My
friends already worry about their 5-year olds falling behind and putting
them to summer school and fast forward programs. In Finland if a child is
to start school at the age of six, they are tested to see if they are
mentally ready for it.
Here in the US long school days and the amount of homework leave little
time for play and hobbies after school. My kid has 6 hour school days with
one 20 minute break during the whole day, when her friends in Finland have
four hour school days with 45 minute lessons and 15 -minute breaks in
between to play outside. They most likely get little or no homework. My 7
year old usually has one page of English, one page of math, spelling words
and she has to read 20 minutes each day as homework. But still she likes
her school and loves her teacher. The school lunch here is a joke. It's
far cry from anything healthy unless pizza, french toast or soggy fish
burgers are something anyone would want their kids to eat and still think
it's good for them. All the teachers I've met here are dedicated to their
work. I like the fact that kid's call them by their last name. I wish in
Finland they would change the way they teach English and would start it
earlier. It really matters how you pron!
ounce words and sound out letters. There they start very early on correct
spelling rather than teach the kids to speak and use the language. Most
Finns can speak English, but are shy to use it in case they make a
mistake. Here in the US it would be a great idea, that kids get a book on
every subject and a small booklet to write notes or math problems on. My
daughter brings home mountains of paper from school, but I have little
idea what she is studying at school or how they figure out math problems.
If she had a book, we would know what she is doing, how they are taught on
different matters and we could go back and go over things when needed.
What comes to the free colleges and universities in Finland, they are free
for people from foreign countries as well if they get in. Is that good -I
don't know. I think it should be free for the Finns of course, but other
people should pay at least something. There is no way I'll be able to
afford for my daughter to go to college here !
in the States. So, sometime in the future well be back in Finl!
and."
05/12/2010:
"A) the Fins don't need a Union they are Socialist Plus the teachers are
treated with the utmost respect (i.e. not called Gangstas) Less hours more
pay complete respect and control over how you teach who needs a Union.
B) Nokia is the number one mobile phone company in the world. Just
because they are not the thing in the US does not mean the company is
doing poorly.
C)The Fins take responsibility for themselves and their community. Fins
are not satisfied if just their kid is doing well. Instead Fins care if
ALL children are doing well. Strange concept for the Social Darwinist who
fill the GOP but I think you could get the concept if you read Mathew more
and Leviticus less. "
05/12/2010:
"The Finnish socialist government structure is the secret to their success.
When all people, regardless of their economic circumstance, are given
access to the same resources(ie, healthcare, schools, etc), then everyone
wins. Unfourtunately, our American capitalist structure, built on the
backs of African slaves, immigrants from China, and unsuspecting Native
Americans encourages competition. American will never have a successful
educational system because of the uneven distribution of resources and
social stratification. One can tour any school district in American and
find that the schools located in wealthy areas have more state-of-the-art
resources than those in the lower socio-economic areas. "
05/11/2010:
"They may score high on tests, but as you did say in the article, their
country is not know for much other than Nokia which is not doing well
either. Therefore they have created very laid back, relaxed,
noncompetitive sponges who benefit from the creativity and hard work of
the rest of the world. At some point the relaxed well soaked sponges will
either dry up or shape up and start competing and working hard. "
05/11/2010:
"Sounds like their system has some nice things going for it. If we're ever
in the market for a socialistic egalitarian-type of country, we'll check
out Finland. Until then, we are happy here in the good 'ol USA where our
children are doing well in school and in life so far, thank God! "
05/11/2010:
"Who wants to compete in school? We just want the best to keep the world
turning and that will take smart friendly adults."
05/11/2010:
"GreatSchools.org! Helsinki committee, National Geographic, Utne, New
Internationalist, UNU and the IHT. Great publications keep Finland first
in image, influence, and education. "
05/11/2010:
"I think it helps a lot that teachers are highly regarded in Finland.
Children learn their attitudes about education from their parents.
Children whose parents are involved in their education are far more
successful. I also think that children have a natural curiousity and
desire to learn. A nurturing environment that fosters this natural desire
instead of making learning into a competition and measure of ones value
probably makes students have a much more positive attitude towards school
and learning. "
05/11/2010:
"I don't think this article concludes (or even suggests) that American
teachers are to blame for poor results from our students.
The article merely points out that the Fins are doing something right as
they continue to produce students that achieve (and graduate) at a higher
level than ours do.
The comments regarding respect for teachers in America may offend you, but
I consider them to be accurate. My own belief is that this is also more a
reflection on our country than teachers themselves.
Like any profession, teaching has super stars and people who aren't very
good at what they're being paid to do. I suspect the same is probably
true even in Finland and South Korea.
I think the task for us is to discover why these folks are having more
success than we are and make changes accordingly. Obviously, that won't
always be possible. For example, there are no woods to walk through
between my house and my first grader's school."
05/11/2010:
"America's problem has and will always be chasing the latest fad. We swing
like a pendulum conservative for decades, liberal for few years back to
conservative.
Unfortunately everyone has their noses in the door.
School boards, congressmen,right wing religious nuts who want to deny
Darwin and now change American History by replacing a founding father
Jefferson with a more religious acceptable way out nut does Texas school
board ring the bell.
It's no wonder Americans have a 30 second attention span can't keep their
minds focus with constant blur of Advertising. Unfortunately Schooling has
become big business with all the trappings of inefficiency, bribery and
labor battling. No wonder our system doesn't work our society isn't
working too well either. Finland left the education to its teachers
allowing them to create and express their devotion to their craft by
seeing their children excel on many social and academic levels.
Can it happen here it did least we forget the first wave of immigrant
children to hit the Public School System. Highly motivated by their
parents and brought up to respect and listen to their teachers.
The system worked as America became No 1 academically, economically,
socially in the world.
Unfortunately we became affluent and with all the tinkering by outsiders
our educational system went down hill. "
05/11/2010:
"I believe the key here is the teacher quality and the fact that there is
high competition to get into the schools of education to become qualified.
Standards for teachers need to become much higher in the US and we need to
be able to remove teachers who don't teach well. The teachers' unions
here are the biggest problem, protecting teachers rather than students."
05/11/2010:
"I agree with the last comment that Finnish teachers wouldn't do so well in
an American school. But I don't think that's a good point on our side as
the last reader would have you believe. The reason they would not do good
is because American children are spoiled little brats that are never
taught respect, for themselves or anyone else. Our school system is
failing miserably and its our own fault. As far as I can see, it's not
getting better but worse, even though we know it's suffering. I think we
should take a look at those other countries and try to figure out how to
integrate their ideas and philosiphies into our own. Not be offended by
them and, as usuall, think we are better just because we are bigger. And
why are we allowing illegals that don't speak english into our schools?
Especially at the cost of our children's education? I am all for
immigrants, don't get me wrong. And helping them to learn english once
they have gone thru the proper channels of becomin!
g legal. But I am tired of my children's education suffering, and me
having to do hours of homework with them, because America feels we have to
baby the illegals and take pity on them. It is time to wake up America
and start taking care of ourselves first! As it was once said.....'How
can you fix and help someone else when you are broken?'"
