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Should Kids Hang Out at Club Penguin?

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By GreatSchools Staff
 

Talk to your child about the Internet as a public space.

"The challenge is that people can say they're different people, for example say they're kids if they're not kids," Goodstein says. Parents need to create an atmosphere where kids can tell them about problems they encounter online without the fear of the Internet being taken away, she says. "Parents should talk to kids about how to treat people online and emphasize the differences from real life. For example, photos can be spread quickly online and it is easier to be meaner. Technology puts distance [between a bully and a victim]."

Warn your child not to put personal information on the Web, ever. She recommends that "parents have kids listen to their gut if something makes them uncomfortable. Kids have to be able to talk to their parents about what was said and why it made them uncomfortable."

Understand that virtual interactions can be as hurtful as real ones.

Despite all of the safeguards, it is possible for kids' feelings to be hurt on Club Penguin. The filters prevent kids from insulting each other in many ways, but my daughter said her feelings are hurt when she tries to talk to someone and they just ignore her.

Hap agreed. He said, "Sometimes I ask someone to be my buddy and they don't accept. That's fine - there are like 4000 people on Club Penguin and I had 97 buddies. The only bad thing that happens is if I ask them to be my buddy and they don't even say no, they don't even answer!"

Kids have even found a way to use the reporting process at Club Penguin to hurt others. Lorraine Woodruff-Long, the California mom of two Club Penguin users, said her kids were sometimes upset because other kids would threaten to report them and get them banned from the site. "One day someone was being mean to him and he was starting to write back. I said, 'What are you doing?' He said a person was being mean to him and threatening to have him banned, and I told him that doesn't mean it is OK for him to do it, too. The more I know about it, the more I realized I need to be more wary. I need to sit down and spend time with these sites. The kids are ahead of where I think they are."

Is it OK to make virtual friends?

Parents often teach their children not to talk to strangers, but talking to people (or penguins) you don't know is one of the main activities on sites like Club Penguin. Does this send a mixed message?

Goodstein doesn't think this is a problem. She said, "If they are involved with [strangers] on a site that is explicitly for kids, it is the same as going to a playground where they play with kids they might not know. If they're on a site that is mixed, with kids and adults, then they have to be a lot more careful, listen to their gut and feel when something doesn't feel right."

Goodstein said that 7-, 8- and 9-year-olds mostly talk to penguins they don't know. "They just waddle around trying to talk to people, instead of being a real social network. For slightly older kids, Imbee may be more like a real social network. There you have friends that are mostly your friends in real life, but in Club Penguin, they're usually not quite old enough for real social networking."

Emily Fiorentino, an 8-year-old from Connecticut, confirms that on Club Penguin she generally just starts random conversations with people. "You only know their penguin name, color and costume," she said.

It is possible to meet your real friends on Club Penguin, if you know their penguin identities. Dennis Dobbyn from California, said his 11-year-old son Sean enjoys chatting with his real friends on Club Penguin, and Hap from Washington meets up with a real-life friend who lives in California on Club Penguin a couple of times a week. "We play hide and seek," he said excitedly. He described how buddies can find out which part of the site their friends are visiting by clicking on their profile, but you can hide within that page of the site by using camouflage. "I went into the underground pool and turned my penguin that same color. It was exactly the same color! The only way to find me was my beak!"

 
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10/20/2009:
"Thank you so much for this article - my son has been asking for membership in club penguin, and I got exactly my questions answered here! "
09/16/2009:
"I think - personaly, that clubpenguin - which kkids like me call it (cp), is a not so safe site to be on.... Even though disney blocked swearing words and inappropiate words, penguins seem to use some words like what the yell, and oh crab. That is from my point of veiw. And, me myself, play on it, because im a pre - teen, and, Adults play on it too! When you sign up, there is a choice of 13+ - that gives disturbing, and um, not appropriate adults to chat to children."
07/7/2009:
"cool website peoples"
04/20/2009:
"i think kids should have a place to have fun and talk to people their own age and play around and have fun. I mean would do the same thing as them wouldnt you? they just want a penguin to see friends and play and but a puffle maybe or if your a member you could buy hats shoes shirts and etc. BUt dont say club penguin is bad. Its the kids who do the stuff on their own not club penguin like if you get banned its your kids would did it, if you cheat like go up in the tree at the dock and go in the cave and sit by the exit but dont go into the other room that is cheating and i agree that club penguin is safe for your children if not then just email club penguin and they will fix it for you and your child. thats all i have to say. from Paula schmid only 13 hope you agree with me!!!"
04/7/2009:
"clubpenguin is a safe site for kids to go on.they have alot of fun with kind friends on cp(clubpenguin).many kids go to small parties that other children create in thier igloos.thier real children.even adults enjoy goin on clubpenguin."
04/2/2009:
"I think it's quite safe. I love to watch my child go into the 'Pizza Parlor' and become friends with another penguin. Also, it's not as much as a training service for myspace, it's learing what to say to real people, caring for pets, and learning how to save up money. It's been a great experience for me and my child."
04/2/2009:
"i like club penguin it is really good."
02/26/2009:
"I don't think there actually are any mouse ears that you can buy on club penguin- as well as that- about threatening other penguins with reports when they have done nothing wrong- the moderator will look over the conversation before taking any action. So, if the penguin hasn't done anything wrong, then the moderator will not ban that penguin."
02/26/2009:
"I'm fifteen and on club penguin. I don't have my space but i do have bebo and i honestly prefer club penguin as you can walk around the different rooms. It is far more interesting and fun. It is completley safe as far as i can see. There is an issue with boyfriend and girfriends. It really annoys me when someone comes up to me and asks, 'will you be my girlfriend?' when i don't even know them! I have alot of interesting and helpful friends on club penguin and i tend to stay away from 'boyfriend/girlfriend' relationships. It's great meeting knew people and seeing the uniqueness of each person."
02/23/2009:
"HEY YOUR TRYING TO AKE OVER CLUB PENGUIN AND THATS NOT NICE I PLAY ON CLUB PENGUIN THE WORST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN IS HAVE FUN I MEAN WHAT WILL WE DO BE MEAN IF WE DO BE MEAN WE ACNT SEE IF IT GOES THROUGH SO I THINK YOU SHOULD RECONSIDER THIS NON SENCE WEB SITE"
01/28/2009:
"I think it is safe but my son Joshua was on club pnguin and some one told him to come when he was preforming with his guitar and he was tricked so he did what he could and got him."
11/12/2008:
"clubpenguin is safe!! i play on it ,and if you sware, you get band. other kids can also band other penguins for being bad. it is a safe site for kids like me and we have a ot of fun on clubpenguin. if you are so conserd, block the site! but me and my friends play on it!!! ps. i love clubpenguin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
10/14/2008:
"Hey. First of all, I don't think that hacking into your child's account and hanging out with her friends, checking out the safety stuff by getting her banned, seeing if she has a boyfriend, e.t.c. isn't very nice. I will be 12 in January, and my family believes I'm responsible to make my own decisions computer wise I own a Club Penguin and I am very happy with the safety choices, great job CP!"
09/19/2008:
"im 11 and i think club puinguin,disney channel,millsberry,and all the other sites for twees are totaly safe for kids. like you can show your personality on the virtual puinguin or whatever it is, but in a safe way that your personal info wont go into the whole internet! and parents you got to chill, let your kid(s) have some fun on the computer we kids what to spend time on the computer and play games or do something!"
08/15/2008:
"Hi my daughter is 11 and plays clubpenguin and she didnt even put my email in she put her own and accepted her self !!! lolz anyway i dont care shes big and tough she like a ball that gets squashed and bounces back up very cheeky though no punishment can stop her she will get worse so i have to just do it smoothly lolz but shes better now and she does not fight like she used to club penguin did her good and she has a website about it if you would like to tell your kids about it : www.fans4cp.wordpress.com it gives them info on clubpenguin and what clubpenguin is even a page for school :D kids dont like school well some mine does and like the pins they hide and the furniture catalog and clothing catalog secrets "
06/3/2008:
"i think clb penguin is a safe place as my child always plays on it and you can have a safe chat one and do't have to buy it "
05/30/2008:
"I am concerned over the safety of my child's online choices. She likes Club Penquin, but I fear that it will become too commercial now that it is part of Disney. A friend suggested that we try Xivio.com because it has more safety features than Club Penguin. My daughter likes it more than Club Penguin and although she likes to visit the site frequently for the social networking aspect, she doesn't seem as addicted to it as she was with Club Penguin. I feel that she spends a reasonable amount of time on the Xivio site. "
03/10/2008:
"Cub penguin is very safe they block out all the swearing and they take out any (kids) who swear. So dont take your kids off. (Unless they swear.)"
02/19/2008:
"I'm thirteen and I am a member of Club Penguin. I think parents should chill out a little more. Club Penguin is totally safe! When kids are in Club Penguin it prevents them to be on other sites like MySpace. To be honest, I have a MySpace too, but I usually spend my time on club penguin more than I do on MySpace. "
02/15/2008:
"GReat article, this sounded too familiar. My daughter did the same thing in wanting my email address, my worry is that these sites might suggest to our children to set up their own email. Thank you."
02/11/2008:
"i agree this to this letter that you gave me -thank-you very much this is a very good note for parents and kids so they would understand."
02/6/2008:
"keep up the good work. these types of pieces are very relevant to the age group from elementary schools. This was informative and helpful. Thank you."
02/4/2008:
"Sorry, but I find little to no credibility in Kate Steinheimer's (the author of the article) quest to answer 'Should this be what our kids are doing?' and 'Should our kids be playing with virtual friends?'. She queries the parents of kids who are actively using Club Penguin. But what are the opinions of the parents who no longer allow their kids to use the site? Worse, Steinheimer 'interviews' Anastasia Goodstein, author of 'Totally Wired: What Teens and Tweens Are Really Doing Online'. Guess what? Goodstein is founder/CEO of YPulse.com, a marketing research firm that according to their website 'provides news, commentary and resources about commercial media for teens' and which states 'Ypulse.com reaches a highly influential audience of agency, brand and media executives as well as social marketers trying to reach youth.' Bottom line, Goodstein's livelihood hinges on her success in finding new ways to sell more stuff to kids through the internet, cell phones, teen magazines, and 'link it all together' so that the kids AND parents can't distinguish the marketing from the fun or 'on-line experience' as they say. Maybe Goodstein sincerely wants parents to pull the plug on the computer and herd the kids outside. She wants them to go tell the kids playing outside (who are enjoying physical activity and having 'real' versus 'virtual' social interactions) to go beg their parents for the latest Webkinz-type gimmick, or about how many 'friends' they made at Club Penguin. Powerful viral marketing, folks. 'I made 65 new penguin friends today, Billy! How many friends did you make while you were on the swingset? Only one? Too bad, I win!' Sorry penguin-addicted kid. You lost. Someday, I hope that you'll learn it takes more than a mouse-click to make a friend. The experience of having one real friend, for better or worse, beats an infinite number of shuffling, cutesy virtual internet spawn. If you really want to have fun, try hide and go seek. Outside. To the woman who said, 'It would definitely bother me if they asked for stuff all the time when they were using Club Penguin,' she said. 'We watch limited TV, and now I can have reasoned discussions with them about advertising, but I really don't like it.' It doesn't really matter if Club Penguin does or does not have advertising directly. The simple fact that your kids are using Club Penguin means that Disney's marketing is successful. When Disney comes out with the 'Club Penguin Movie', guess which kids will want to see it? When the penguin toy goes into the Happy Meal, guess who's kids want fast-food (or the themed birthday party, or the DVD, or the Nintendo game, or the whatever). If you believe that kids should be allowed at least SOME time on the computer to help with their technological literacy, read the comments below submitted by kids and parents supporting Club Penguin. Some should definitely be spending more time working on their literacy. Without the computer. Finally, my answer to 'Should our kids be playing with virtual friends?' Why? Aren't there better things for a kid to do with his or her REAL friends and family, especially on a rainy day? Speaking of better things to do...."
02/1/2008:
"I appreciate your help in our child education. i'm living in this country since last year ago ,so there are new things for me and my daugther and she has joined this club since last week. I found this article very important.Thank you. one more time."
01/30/2008:
"Thanks - I agree with your perceptions of the site - good information for new user parents. - Thanks!"
01/29/2008:
"Very helpful article. "
01/28/2008:
"I love Club Penguin! They do everything they can to help with problems. And every day the are coming out with new ways to make club penguin safe."
01/24/2008:
"I love club penguin. There is a lot of good games and my parents like it too. They say that as long as we keep the 30 minits time limit and the games are semi-educational we can play. They classify club penguin as semi-educational because of the money stuff. I have never heard anything inappropriet on CP and I have been on almost 2 years. I tottaly reccomend it if you have nothing to do on rainy days."
01/22/2008:
"I think Club penquin is really safe for children. My 9 year old daughter went to sign in and accidently singed her name as Sexi in stead of lexi and she was immediatly blocked. Thanks Brenda."
01/14/2008:
"I definitely think parents and kids should be exploring and talking about social networking sites together. Digital content is exploding and the ways information is both shared and created is undergoing a revolution. It is essential we help our children learn how to make good decisions as well as effectively and safely utilize digital resources. While game sites are fun, I think a big focus for both adults and young people when it comes to digital resources should be CREATING content as well as COLLABORATING. The website, free software program and social network Scratch (from MIT) is a great example of a program kids of any age can use to be creative, interact with others, and literally CREATE things: stories, games, and programs. This type of computer activity can be at a very different cognitive level than playing a game on Club Penguin or Webkinz: http://scatch.mit.edu As adults, parents and educators we need to step up to the challenges as well as opportunities available in our networked information environment. We hear a lot about dangers, but we need to hear about the opportunities too. Many of the best jobs in the future will go to those with good digital literacy skills as well as interpersonal and collaborative skills. I'm continuing to refine a presentation I'll share with parent groups at schools and churches here in Oklahoma later this month. What I have so far is on: http://teachdigital.pbwiki.com/internetsafety Thanks for sharing this article about these websites for tweens. I hope more parents will read it and have conversations with their kids about the issues and opportunities you highlight here as a result. Wesley Fryer Edmond, Oklahoma www.speedofcreativity.org"
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