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Should Kids Hang Out at Club Penguin?

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By GreatSchools Staff
 

Do these sites promote too much commercialism?

Some sites, like Whyville, have ads spread across the site. Others, like Webkinz, include promotions for their own products. Club Penguin is ad-free, although kids must pay around $6 per month for access to some of the popular features. A letter from Club Penguin's founders posted on the site states that they remain committed to maintaining their no-advertising policy, despite Disney's purchase of the site. That said, a penguin with mouse ears can already be spotted in several places around the site. Woodruff-Long said she wouldn't want her 8- and 10-year-old kids being bombarded with ads for Disney products.

"It would definitely bother me if they asked for stuff all the time when they were using Club Penguin," she said. "We watch limited TV, and now I can have reasoned discussions with them about advertising, but I really don't like it."

Almost all of the sites include ways for kids to earn points or virtual money and then spend it "buying" virtual items on the site. Oxford finds this aspect of Club Penguin to be positive for her son: "I like that he has 12 puffles and he really has to pay attention to them and feed them. He understands that you have to pay to feed them so they won't run away."

Goodstein says that earning virtual currency to buy things teaches kids valuable lessons about economics. However, she cautions parents to talk to their kids about the message some of these sites are sending and the goals of the companies - to make money.

Is there any benefit for kids in using these sites?

Goodstein says kids can learn to socialize on kids' sites but in a much more controlled way than their older counterparts on MySpace.

"They are like the training wheels for socializing that is becoming so much a part of teenagers' lives," said Goodstein.

She also said that many sites promote learning, especially reading, writing and communication skills. "Kids are using their imaginations, and when they are creating an avatar, they are sort of beginning to experiment with identity, what they wear and what they want to look like. It is a virtual way of doing what we used to do when we'd pretend."

Some of the parents I spoke with aren't so sure.

"It's a tough call," said Epstein. "I lull myself into thinking it is good. Some of the games build timing skills and it is good for kids to have downtime. When I was a kid I would have been working on mazes or connect the dots." But Epstein said she did not think kids need to start training for MySpace at age 8 or 9.

Goodstein does caution that parents should limit the amount of time their children spend online. "Anything in excess is bad. Kids need to play in real life, and go outside. It is incumbent on parents to set limits and allow it as a treat maybe an hour a day."

What can you do if your child is hooked on Club Penguin?

Yes, it happens. Some parents report that their kids cry when told to log off. Goodstein doesn't have too much sympathy for this problem. "Parents need to be really firm about how much time their kids can spend online. If they have a fit, that's too bad. You're the parents. Tell them to go outside, do something different. You need to push them into a new activity. They shouldn't be able to get hooked in the first place." She noted that the addictive quality of the gaming on some sites makes kids want to be on the computer all the time. It also makes it more important for parents to be sure they aren't.

 
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10/20/2009:
"Thank you so much for this article - my son has been asking for membership in club penguin, and I got exactly my questions answered here! "
09/16/2009:
"I think - personaly, that clubpenguin - which kkids like me call it (cp), is a not so safe site to be on.... Even though disney blocked swearing words and inappropiate words, penguins seem to use some words like what the yell, and oh crab. That is from my point of veiw. And, me myself, play on it, because im a pre - teen, and, Adults play on it too! When you sign up, there is a choice of 13+ - that gives disturbing, and um, not appropriate adults to chat to children."
07/7/2009:
"cool website peoples"
04/20/2009:
"i think kids should have a place to have fun and talk to people their own age and play around and have fun. I mean would do the same thing as them wouldnt you? they just want a penguin to see friends and play and but a puffle maybe or if your a member you could buy hats shoes shirts and etc. BUt dont say club penguin is bad. Its the kids who do the stuff on their own not club penguin like if you get banned its your kids would did it, if you cheat like go up in the tree at the dock and go in the cave and sit by the exit but dont go into the other room that is cheating and i agree that club penguin is safe for your children if not then just email club penguin and they will fix it for you and your child. thats all i have to say. from Paula schmid only 13 hope you agree with me!!!"
04/7/2009:
"clubpenguin is a safe site for kids to go on.they have alot of fun with kind friends on cp(clubpenguin).many kids go to small parties that other children create in thier igloos.thier real children.even adults enjoy goin on clubpenguin."
04/2/2009:
"I think it's quite safe. I love to watch my child go into the 'Pizza Parlor' and become friends with another penguin. Also, it's not as much as a training service for myspace, it's learing what to say to real people, caring for pets, and learning how to save up money. It's been a great experience for me and my child."
04/2/2009:
"i like club penguin it is really good."
02/26/2009:
"I don't think there actually are any mouse ears that you can buy on club penguin- as well as that- about threatening other penguins with reports when they have done nothing wrong- the moderator will look over the conversation before taking any action. So, if the penguin hasn't done anything wrong, then the moderator will not ban that penguin."
02/26/2009:
"I'm fifteen and on club penguin. I don't have my space but i do have bebo and i honestly prefer club penguin as you can walk around the different rooms. It is far more interesting and fun. It is completley safe as far as i can see. There is an issue with boyfriend and girfriends. It really annoys me when someone comes up to me and asks, 'will you be my girlfriend?' when i don't even know them! I have alot of interesting and helpful friends on club penguin and i tend to stay away from 'boyfriend/girlfriend' relationships. It's great meeting knew people and seeing the uniqueness of each person."
02/23/2009:
"HEY YOUR TRYING TO AKE OVER CLUB PENGUIN AND THATS NOT NICE I PLAY ON CLUB PENGUIN THE WORST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN IS HAVE FUN I MEAN WHAT WILL WE DO BE MEAN IF WE DO BE MEAN WE ACNT SEE IF IT GOES THROUGH SO I THINK YOU SHOULD RECONSIDER THIS NON SENCE WEB SITE"
01/28/2009:
"I think it is safe but my son Joshua was on club pnguin and some one told him to come when he was preforming with his guitar and he was tricked so he did what he could and got him."
11/12/2008:
"clubpenguin is safe!! i play on it ,and if you sware, you get band. other kids can also band other penguins for being bad. it is a safe site for kids like me and we have a ot of fun on clubpenguin. if you are so conserd, block the site! but me and my friends play on it!!! ps. i love clubpenguin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
10/14/2008:
"Hey. First of all, I don't think that hacking into your child's account and hanging out with her friends, checking out the safety stuff by getting her banned, seeing if she has a boyfriend, e.t.c. isn't very nice. I will be 12 in January, and my family believes I'm responsible to make my own decisions computer wise I own a Club Penguin and I am very happy with the safety choices, great job CP!"
09/19/2008:
"im 11 and i think club puinguin,disney channel,millsberry,and all the other sites for twees are totaly safe for kids. like you can show your personality on the virtual puinguin or whatever it is, but in a safe way that your personal info wont go into the whole internet! and parents you got to chill, let your kid(s) have some fun on the computer we kids what to spend time on the computer and play games or do something!"
08/15/2008:
"Hi my daughter is 11 and plays clubpenguin and she didnt even put my email in she put her own and accepted her self !!! lolz anyway i dont care shes big and tough she like a ball that gets squashed and bounces back up very cheeky though no punishment can stop her she will get worse so i have to just do it smoothly lolz but shes better now and she does not fight like she used to club penguin did her good and she has a website about it if you would like to tell your kids about it : www.fans4cp.wordpress.com it gives them info on clubpenguin and what clubpenguin is even a page for school :D kids dont like school well some mine does and like the pins they hide and the furniture catalog and clothing catalog secrets "
06/3/2008:
"i think clb penguin is a safe place as my child always plays on it and you can have a safe chat one and do't have to buy it "
05/30/2008:
"I am concerned over the safety of my child's online choices. She likes Club Penquin, but I fear that it will become too commercial now that it is part of Disney. A friend suggested that we try Xivio.com because it has more safety features than Club Penguin. My daughter likes it more than Club Penguin and although she likes to visit the site frequently for the social networking aspect, she doesn't seem as addicted to it as she was with Club Penguin. I feel that she spends a reasonable amount of time on the Xivio site. "
03/10/2008:
"Cub penguin is very safe they block out all the swearing and they take out any (kids) who swear. So dont take your kids off. (Unless they swear.)"
02/19/2008:
"I'm thirteen and I am a member of Club Penguin. I think parents should chill out a little more. Club Penguin is totally safe! When kids are in Club Penguin it prevents them to be on other sites like MySpace. To be honest, I have a MySpace too, but I usually spend my time on club penguin more than I do on MySpace. "
02/15/2008:
"GReat article, this sounded too familiar. My daughter did the same thing in wanting my email address, my worry is that these sites might suggest to our children to set up their own email. Thank you."
02/11/2008:
"i agree this to this letter that you gave me -thank-you very much this is a very good note for parents and kids so they would understand."
02/6/2008:
"keep up the good work. these types of pieces are very relevant to the age group from elementary schools. This was informative and helpful. Thank you."
02/4/2008:
"Sorry, but I find little to no credibility in Kate Steinheimer's (the author of the article) quest to answer 'Should this be what our kids are doing?' and 'Should our kids be playing with virtual friends?'. She queries the parents of kids who are actively using Club Penguin. But what are the opinions of the parents who no longer allow their kids to use the site? Worse, Steinheimer 'interviews' Anastasia Goodstein, author of 'Totally Wired: What Teens and Tweens Are Really Doing Online'. Guess what? Goodstein is founder/CEO of YPulse.com, a marketing research firm that according to their website 'provides news, commentary and resources about commercial media for teens' and which states 'Ypulse.com reaches a highly influential audience of agency, brand and media executives as well as social marketers trying to reach youth.' Bottom line, Goodstein's livelihood hinges on her success in finding new ways to sell more stuff to kids through the internet, cell phones, teen magazines, and 'link it all together' so that the kids AND parents can't distinguish the marketing from the fun or 'on-line experience' as they say. Maybe Goodstein sincerely wants parents to pull the plug on the computer and herd the kids outside. She wants them to go tell the kids playing outside (who are enjoying physical activity and having 'real' versus 'virtual' social interactions) to go beg their parents for the latest Webkinz-type gimmick, or about how many 'friends' they made at Club Penguin. Powerful viral marketing, folks. 'I made 65 new penguin friends today, Billy! How many friends did you make while you were on the swingset? Only one? Too bad, I win!' Sorry penguin-addicted kid. You lost. Someday, I hope that you'll learn it takes more than a mouse-click to make a friend. The experience of having one real friend, for better or worse, beats an infinite number of shuffling, cutesy virtual internet spawn. If you really want to have fun, try hide and go seek. Outside. To the woman who said, 'It would definitely bother me if they asked for stuff all the time when they were using Club Penguin,' she said. 'We watch limited TV, and now I can have reasoned discussions with them about advertising, but I really don't like it.' It doesn't really matter if Club Penguin does or does not have advertising directly. The simple fact that your kids are using Club Penguin means that Disney's marketing is successful. When Disney comes out with the 'Club Penguin Movie', guess which kids will want to see it? When the penguin toy goes into the Happy Meal, guess who's kids want fast-food (or the themed birthday party, or the DVD, or the Nintendo game, or the whatever). If you believe that kids should be allowed at least SOME time on the computer to help with their technological literacy, read the comments below submitted by kids and parents supporting Club Penguin. Some should definitely be spending more time working on their literacy. Without the computer. Finally, my answer to 'Should our kids be playing with virtual friends?' Why? Aren't there better things for a kid to do with his or her REAL friends and family, especially on a rainy day? Speaking of better things to do...."
02/1/2008:
"I appreciate your help in our child education. i'm living in this country since last year ago ,so there are new things for me and my daugther and she has joined this club since last week. I found this article very important.Thank you. one more time."
01/30/2008:
"Thanks - I agree with your perceptions of the site - good information for new user parents. - Thanks!"
01/29/2008:
"Very helpful article. "
01/28/2008:
"I love Club Penguin! They do everything they can to help with problems. And every day the are coming out with new ways to make club penguin safe."
01/24/2008:
"I love club penguin. There is a lot of good games and my parents like it too. They say that as long as we keep the 30 minits time limit and the games are semi-educational we can play. They classify club penguin as semi-educational because of the money stuff. I have never heard anything inappropriet on CP and I have been on almost 2 years. I tottaly reccomend it if you have nothing to do on rainy days."
01/22/2008:
"I think Club penquin is really safe for children. My 9 year old daughter went to sign in and accidently singed her name as Sexi in stead of lexi and she was immediatly blocked. Thanks Brenda."
01/14/2008:
"I definitely think parents and kids should be exploring and talking about social networking sites together. Digital content is exploding and the ways information is both shared and created is undergoing a revolution. It is essential we help our children learn how to make good decisions as well as effectively and safely utilize digital resources. While game sites are fun, I think a big focus for both adults and young people when it comes to digital resources should be CREATING content as well as COLLABORATING. The website, free software program and social network Scratch (from MIT) is a great example of a program kids of any age can use to be creative, interact with others, and literally CREATE things: stories, games, and programs. This type of computer activity can be at a very different cognitive level than playing a game on Club Penguin or Webkinz: http://scatch.mit.edu As adults, parents and educators we need to step up to the challenges as well as opportunities available in our networked information environment. We hear a lot about dangers, but we need to hear about the opportunities too. Many of the best jobs in the future will go to those with good digital literacy skills as well as interpersonal and collaborative skills. I'm continuing to refine a presentation I'll share with parent groups at schools and churches here in Oklahoma later this month. What I have so far is on: http://teachdigital.pbwiki.com/internetsafety Thanks for sharing this article about these websites for tweens. I hope more parents will read it and have conversations with their kids about the issues and opportunities you highlight here as a result. Wesley Fryer Edmond, Oklahoma www.speedofcreativity.org"
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